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10NLz BvB Light 3bet flopping flush draw 10NLz BvB Light 3bet flopping flush draw

09-24-2017 , 09:17 AM
Winamax - €0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €14.66 (VPIP: 25.35, PFR: 16.90, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 72)
Hero (BB): €12.70
UTG: €11.50 (VPIP: 13.92, PFR: 8.17, 3Bet Preflop: 2.14, Hands: 3,940)
MP: €19.34 (VPIP: 13.73, PFR: 9.02, 3Bet Preflop: 1.09, Hands: 265)
CO: €17.67 (VPIP: 25.31, PFR: 16.70, 3Bet Preflop: 4.42, Hands: 988)
BTN: €10.72 (VPIP: 14.23, PFR: 6.73, 3Bet Preflop: 0.67, Hands: 801)

SB posts SB €0.05, Hero posts BB €0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.15) Hero has 7 A

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to €0.30, Hero raises to €0.90, SB calls €0.60

Flop: (€1.80, 2 players) K J T
SB checks, Hero bets €0.60, SB calls €0.60

Turn: (€3.00, 2 players) 5
SB checks, Hero bets €2.20, SB raises to €4.40, Hero calls €2.20

River: (€11.80, 2 players) 3
SB bets €5.64, fold


Not too sure how to play this hand.
Initially, it felt like a good board to bet bet shove, but his minraise on the turn confused me. I called because pot odds, but I'm wondering if I should just 3bet shove and get it in on the turn.
I'm also not sure about the flop sizing.
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09-24-2017 , 09:31 AM
Just call pre. As played, fold to the turn raise. It's too thin for a call and I don't think villain is folding to a shove.
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09-24-2017 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Piper
As played, fold to the turn raise.
What?! Why would you fold there? I need 19% equity, and in the worst possible case I have at least 22% equity (against sets/straights). There isn't a single hand he can have where I have less than 19% equity.
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09-24-2017 , 12:40 PM
Ehh, I haven't run it in equilab but I was going off of 9 outs for the flush and some straights that aren't chopped so 18-22%. It just seems like there are better spots but I'm a nit

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09-24-2017 , 12:44 PM
id just call pre

bigger otf

don't fold turn vs raise lol
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09-24-2017 , 12:45 PM
Don't fold turn getting 4.3:1. We don't even need to factor in implied odds to want to make the call.

I think I would go a little bigger OTF but otherwise play it the same. I like barreling the turn with range advantage because it should put his TX's and Jx's in an awkward spot.

Could also just call PF but I don't think there's anything wrong with 3-betting our suited aces.
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09-25-2017 , 11:30 AM
op well played hand all streets. i think pre 3b is fine. ul on river miss and not stacking the guy
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09-25-2017 , 11:38 AM
Call pre as there's better hands to value 3b, call turn don't shove as very little fold equity and in my experience min raises are quite strong.
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09-25-2017 , 12:00 PM
+1 to what others have said about pre

Is it bad to x back the turn here? I just think in a 3bp very little that called flop is going to fold to a turn barrel and we're feeling pretty sick if we get x/jammed on. I know we have 0 SDV but checking back at least lets us realise our equity.
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09-25-2017 , 12:31 PM
imo call pre no 3b, if you're going to 3b some Axs hands pre ATs+, A2s-A5s play better post... but otf why 1/3 psb? picked up nut flush+gut shot so good equity and your also trying to rep a range of like JJ+, AQ+ w/ that 3b pre right?... I like a bigger cbet otf and x back ott, once he calls otf & called 3b pre oop & u have nut flush blocker I think his range wld be s/t like AK(9),AQ(12),KQ(12),KJs(2),QJs(3)KK(3),QQ(6),JJ(3) ,TT(3)... and you're not really folding out those hands ott imo, so Id take the free card here... OP, unless you think his range is different?
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09-25-2017 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BL42024
imo call pre no 3b, if you're going to 3b some Axs hands pre ATs+, A2s-A5s play better post... but otf why 1/3 psb? picked up nut flush+gut shot so good equity and your also trying to rep a range of like JJ+, AQ+ w/ that 3b pre right?... I like a bigger cbet otf and x back ott, once he calls otf & called 3b pre oop & u have nut flush blocker I think his range wld be s/t like AK(9),AQ(12),KQ(12),KJs(2),QJs(3)KK(3),QQ(6),JJ(3) ,TT(3)... and you're not really folding out those hands ott imo, so Id take the free card here... OP, unless you think his range is different?
Why not 1/3? Get small and medium pocket pairs to fold for a cheap price, can call raises and play turns IP

Never checking turn, v never has AA, AK, KK, or JJ ever and we block AQ. He should never be raising this turn very often at all. I actually like an overbet on the turn, get some mid pair with a draw to fold etc
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09-25-2017 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AUSkid89
Why not 1/3? Get small and medium pocket pairs to fold for a cheap price, can call raises and play turns IP

Never checking turn, v never has AA, AK, KK, or JJ ever and we block AQ. He should never be raising this turn very often at all. I actually like an overbet on the turn, get some mid pair with a draw to fold etc
no idea how you cap someones range like that lol, so you saying everyone always 4b AKo and JJ?? and one blocker still leaves 12 AQ combos to the nuts... you like the overbet ott to get some mid pairs to fold but you said theyd fold out to the small cbet otf, no? and hero holds blocker to nutflush... so what range/combos are you putting v on after the flop call that you like an overbet on the turn?
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09-25-2017 , 01:19 PM
getting v to fold his 22-99 and some mid suited connecters w weak draws/backdoors would be done w a bigger cbet otf and also w/ hero 3b pre this board is suppose to hit his range hard so youd be protecting/getting value w any made hand right?
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09-25-2017 , 01:22 PM
I call pre. This a good hand to defend with. In general you should be 3betting to defend with the weakest part of your defense range in the bb. As played flop bet is good. I probably take the free card on the turn because villain isn't folding most of his flop calling range to a turn barrel when a blank hits. I'm not sure if that reasoning is correct. You'r getting the right price to call the check/raise.
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09-25-2017 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BL42024
no idea how you cap someones range like that lol, so you saying everyone always 4b AKo and JJ?? and one blocker still leaves 12 AQ combos to the nuts... you like the overbet ott to get some mid pairs to fold but you said theyd fold out to the small cbet otf, no? and hero holds blocker to nutflush... so what range/combos are you putting v on after the flop call that you like an overbet on the turn?
Because it's bvb and you should be 4b JJ and AK looking to get it in a lot. More standard 4 betting these than not.

Why would you bet large targeting 4th pair hands when you can fold them out with a small bet as they should never be calling them? Makes no sense. It seems like you have an idea that a smaller sizing represents weakness. Small sizings can be used in a lot of situations, it,doesn't have to be a connected board to use them.

You haven't read what I said properly have you? Small bet on the flop to fold out weak pairs and pockets below TT. Turn overbet is to fold out pair hands w/ a gut shot, putting pressure on straight draw such as QJ or QT

Last edited by AUSkid89; 09-25-2017 at 10:14 PM.
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09-25-2017 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BL42024
getting v to fold his 22-99 and some mid suited connecters w weak draws/backdoors would be done w a bigger cbet otf and also w/ hero 3b pre this board is suppose to hit his range hard so youd be protecting/getting value w any made hand right?
I'd have agreed with the flop bet initially but now I'm thinking you don't really fold out anything you're beating.9's or 8's at best, and like you said this should smash his range. I probably still bet the flop I'm pretty sure but checking back the turn seems fine. I feel like it's really easy for him to have a big hand here and he is checking almost 100% of them to you.

So I like the flop bet except I think 1.20 is what you're looking for, and then check back.
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