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09-05-2010 , 11:23 PM
MP is 18/14/2 over 50 hands

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $11.64
Hero (BTN): $10.43
SB: $6.90
BB: $21.57
UTG: $17.45
MP: $10.45

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has T T

fold, MP raises to $0.35, fold, Hero calls $0.35, fold, fold

I flat the preflop raise in position hoping the fishy SB would come along. If we know nothing about SB or BB is this a typical 3bet spot?

Flop: ($0.85, 2 players) 7 8 J
MP bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

I float here, thinking I still have decent showdown value, and there a few cards I don't mind seeing on the turn.

Turn: ($1.85, 2 players) 9
MP checks, Hero bets $1.20, MP calls $1.20

I feel that I need to bet for value here since the board is super wet and I will get calls from flush and straight draws, as well as sets and 2 pair hands.

River: ($4.25, 2 players) Q
MP checks, Hero bets $2.00

By this point, I have the second nuts, so I am never folding this hand. I bet small here hoping to either get a crying call from sets or 2 pair hands, or, hoping my bet looks weak and will induce a bluff.
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09-06-2010 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by whodat
I flat the preflop raise in position hoping the fishy SB would come along. If we know nothing about SB or BB is this a typical 3bet spot?
I would like this line much more if your pair was bigger. With TT, there are four overcards you don't want to see, and you probably won't be able to get good three streets of value most of the time. 3betting will make your life 10x better because 1.) fish will call your 3bet if he likes his hand, and 2.) it's much easier to play post when you have a PP and pot is already big

As played, pot turn and pot river. Like you said, he's not folding 2P+ regardless of your bet size.
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09-06-2010 , 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by donationbox
I would like this line much more if your pair was bigger. With TT, there are four overcards you don't want to see, and you probably won't be able to get good three streets of value most of the time. 3betting will make your life 10x better because 1.) fish will call your 3bet if he likes his hand, and 2.) it's much easier to play post when you have a PP and pot is already big
Well, if as you say the fish is calling a 3bet if he likes his hand, then why would I not 3bet with a higher pair then TT?


To 3bet TT here I think really depends on the OR play in 3bet pots and how he plays in normal pots. Sometimes I 3bet (with unknowns in blinds), sometimes I flat.

Definitively bet bigger on turn, like 1.45-1.55. If he's gonna call 1.20, he's calling more.

River I bet bigger as well, like 3/4 pot+. I don't exactly see what made hand he's calling turn with that he would fold to a bet like that on river.
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09-06-2010 , 04:20 AM
You dont have the second nuts. KT and AK both beats you, which leaves you with the 3rd nuts
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09-06-2010 , 04:33 AM
This is std, shud be 3b pre extremely rarely. Bet the river and turn bigger though
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09-06-2010 , 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by donationbox
I would like this line much more if your pair was bigger. With TT, there are four overcards you don't want to see, and you probably won't be able to get good three streets of value most of the time. 3betting will make your life 10x better because 1.) fish will call your 3bet if he likes his hand, and 2.) it's much easier to play post when you have a PP and pot is already big

As played, pot turn and pot river. Like you said, he's not folding 2P+ regardless of your bet size.
I can see some mistakes in your logic.

1st- You can't just 3bet a hand because its easier to play. You gotta do what you gotta do. I'm not saying 3-betting isn't the best option in this case though.

2nd- What fish are you talking about? The guys in the blinds? Even if he's bad he won't cold call a 3bet very often. Sure he will do it sometimes but more often than not he will fold. Calling a single raise bet that's a different story and he will call a lot, which favours the call option.

3rd- Although the sample size is small we can tell that the original raiser is a tag with tendencies to the nit side. I assure you that if he fits the style that stats indicate he will fold all worse hands and jam the better ones. So where does your profit come from with such a good hand with this approach?
Just let him continue with his lower pairs, c-bet his air hands on the flop, and play perfectly against him IP.
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09-06-2010 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by AubreyGraham
You dont have the second nuts. KT and AK both beats you, which leaves you with the 3rd nuts
how does AK beat hero here ?
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09-06-2010 , 09:49 AM
Don't 3bet TT versus a virtually unkown MP open
Flop,turn and river Well played!
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09-06-2010 , 10:12 AM
bet more on turn and river
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09-06-2010 , 01:45 PM
bet bigger, a lot bigger
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09-06-2010 , 09:13 PM
So I should pot turn and river here? Or even more than that?
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09-06-2010 , 09:32 PM
Seems fine imo.
WPed sir.
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