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10NL - two pairs face c/r on flop and turn shove 10NL - two pairs face c/r on flop and turn shove

10-10-2013 , 03:12 AM
Hi guys,

Here is a hand played yesterday. Villain has AF 3 and FoldtoCbet 25.
Its a good play calling his flop c/r? What about calling his turn shove? Is this a clear foold?
On the flop i consider his range 79,77,QJ,QK, maybe 99,QTs or a flush draw played aggressively. I didnt consider AQ because i think he can squeez with it.

What do you think?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 61.5 BB (VPIP: 17.14, PFR: 8.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
Hero (CO): 100 BB
BTN: 52.7 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
SB: 139.1 BB
BB: 102.2 BB (VPIP: 22.89, PFR: 19.28, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 85)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 Q

fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, BTN calls 4 BB, fold, BB calls 3 BB

Flop: (12.5 BB, 3 players) 7 Q 9
BB checks, Hero bets 10 BB, fold, BB raises to 30 BB, Hero calls 20 BB

Turn: (72.5 BB, 2 players) 4
BB bets 68.2 BB and is all-in, Hero ?
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10-10-2013 , 03:49 AM
idk if calling or raising flop is better but dont fold on such turn
you block a lot of sets and he has a lot of draws in his range
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10-10-2013 , 04:01 AM
The biggest problem with this hand is opening it pre, it's too loose without a fish in the blinds. Since we have to draw lines in the sand as a default I go with QTo+ in CO, lots more straight possibilities, better kicker. With Q9o here every Qx that will call will dominate you.

As played you can either shove flop yourself or call flop call tun - it's an easy call. The latter is better if he's agressive as he seems to be.
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10-10-2013 , 04:19 AM
fold pre
not sure about raising or calling flop either but as played definitely call
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10-10-2013 , 05:45 AM
You're never folding unless a club hits. Maybe call flop so you can GII OTT against his draws, where his equity will be smaller than on the flop.

4 combos of sets are all that beat you (QQ 3bets pre), and there are plenty of combo draws (T9cc or KJcc type hands) that you beat.

Last edited by TheBaconWarrior; 10-10-2013 at 05:51 AM.
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10-10-2013 , 06:01 AM
Do we call turn as played if turn comes:
a) 2c
b) Tc
c) Ac
d) 7x
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10-10-2013 , 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBaconWarrior
You're never folding unless a club hits. Maybe call flop so you can GII OTT against his draws, where his equity will be smaller than on the flop.

4 combos of sets are all that beat you (QQ 3bets pre), and there are plenty of combo draws (T9cc or KJcc type hands) that you beat.
But if he was on a draw i think he would make a blocking bat or just call.
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10-10-2013 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BranErik
But if he was on a draw i think he would make a blocking bat or just call.
not really. he's oop and oop a lot of draws c/r otf

ott he is priced in anyways if he bets so he might aswell go for max fold equity with his potential draw by jamming. that's how I'd play strong (combo)draw in his position
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10-10-2013 , 06:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBaconWarrior
You're never folding unless a club hits. Maybe call flop so you can GII OTT against his draws, where his equity will be smaller than on the flop.

4 combos of sets are all that beat you (QQ 3bets pre), and there are plenty of combo draws (T9cc or KJcc type hands) that you beat.
Sounds reasonable, but there are a lot of turn cards that we might want to fold on. Clubs are obvious, but I wouldn't like an 8/T/J/K/A very much either. So, to prevent us making a wrong fold on the turn I would rather get it in on the flop.
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10-10-2013 , 06:24 AM
Pretty sure I would gii on the flop, so many cards on the turn are bad for us.
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10-10-2013 , 06:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BranErik
But if he was on a draw i think he would make a blocking bat or just call.
22/19 is indicative of someone who will play (at worst) their combo draws like this.

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Originally Posted by Deeepz
Do we call turn as played if turn comes:
a) 2c
b) Tc
c) Ac
d) 7x
So much of villain's range that we currently beat has two clubs in it, so we're never calling club turns.

Also, 7x is the best card in the deck for us. Even more blockers to sets in his range.

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Originally Posted by zaiga000
I wouldn't like an 8/T/J/K/A very much either. So, to prevent us making a wrong fold on the turn I would rather get it in on the flop.
Why guesstimate when we can pull out the numbers? , although with that being said I'm currently not willing to go to the trouble.

I can get behind either line.

Shoving flop has the added bonus of folding out the equity of his JTo type hands (or he makes a bad call), whereas turn has the added bonus of slightly realizing our equity.
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10-10-2013 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBaconWarrior
Also, 7x is the best card in the deck for us. Even more blockers to sets in his range.
I'd prefer the 9c.

If you think you have a good handle on where Villian is at in the hand then flat flop and be able to get away from it on bad turns, if not then just go shove flop.

As played this turn is pretty much a snap as it's just such a drawy board.
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10-10-2013 , 07:33 AM
Don't mind opening pre, though it'd be the bottom of my range.
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10-11-2013 , 02:27 AM
I would get it in on the flop.. if he has a set he gets our money anyway.. and if he has a draw i would like to get it is as fast as possible.. (also way easier to play)

The only downside is that it is 3way. so his raise is prob stronger than normal( Not that the bluffing raising range is that wider HU)
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10-11-2013 , 02:45 AM
like calling the flop and pretty much snapping turn as played
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