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01-11-2014 , 05:54 PM

tomj

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Villain is 26/22/1.3 after 67 hands.
decent player, positionally aware.
This is first time I'd seen him make any moves post flop.

IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #22207201

BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $9.74 (97.4 bb)
MP: $3.06 (30.6 bb)
CO: $9.88 (98.8 bb)
Hero (BTN): $11.36 (113.6 bb)
SB: $9.12 (91.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.52, BB raises to $1.70, Hero?

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01-11-2014 , 05:58 PM

MartimC

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"This is first time I'd seen him make any moves post flop."
+ super dry board
= ez fold imo, if he doesn't spazz post flop

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01-11-2014 , 07:12 PM

bfsrh

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call.

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01-11-2014 , 07:42 PM

Calm Down

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call

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01-11-2014 , 09:10 PM

tomj

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here's how it played out:

IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #22207531

BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $9.74 (97.4 bb)
MP: $3.06 (30.6 bb)
CO: $9.88 (98.8 bb)
Hero (BTN): $11.36 (113.6 bb)
SB: $9.12 (91.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.52, BB raises to $1.70, Hero calls $1.18

Turn: ($4.05) 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($4.05) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

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could i get more value there?

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01-11-2014 , 09:11 PM

MartimC

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^AJ?

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01-11-2014 , 10:55 PM

tomj

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Originally Posted by MartimC

^AJ?

He had A7ss.

I quite like his play, he knows I can't call the raise with most of my range from button, but he repped very little i thought.

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01-11-2014 , 11:37 PM

Ohhesdamned

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Bet river otherwise wp, shouldnt ever fold here martim

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01-12-2014 , 02:57 AM

burjennio

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If he barrels the turn you fold yes? I think if a player is making this type of move he has to carry it through more than one street, especially when the turn is a brick (unless he expects you to spaz peel a c/r with btm pair). While it's easy in hindsight to think you should value bet the river I think his checks on the last two streets gave away his lack of strength, and in this position it is more beneficial for you to check it down to see what he c'r the flop with - just make sure you add it to your notes!

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01-12-2014 , 04:02 AM

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tomj

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Originally Posted by burjennio

Yeah I have to fold there to a turn bet, and yes went straight in notes

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01-12-2014 , 05:53 AM

#11

acky

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Originally Posted by tomj

This is first time I'd seen him make any moves post flop.

I'm folding to the first c/r

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01-12-2014 , 06:05 AM

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FatKing85

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A fold is fine, just look through your database what an average flopcheckraise is. Since villain is unknown thats the best info you have. Dont countin flopminraises though, they are a different breed and usually ~TPNK.

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01-12-2014 , 06:06 AM

#13

Calm Down

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dont call flop if you're gonna fold most turns

hint: you shouldn't fold most turns

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01-12-2014 , 06:30 AM

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TWhelan

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Originally Posted by Ohhesdamned

Bet river otherwise wp, shouldnt ever fold here martim

+1

I would think about betting turn also, small so that he might consider calling with stuff like AQ or gutshots

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01-12-2014 , 06:53 AM

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bfsrh

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I think you played fine this hand

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01-12-2014 , 07:53 AM

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MartimC

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Originally Posted by Ohhesdamned

Bet river otherwise wp, shouldnt ever fold here martim

yeah , i have to agree..
was feeling nitty yesterday lol

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01-12-2014 , 09:03 AM

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Ohhesdamned

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Originally Posted by TWhelan

+1

I would think about betting turn also, small so that he might consider calling with stuff like AQ or gutshots

Agreed, torn between thin value and bluff catching

Think river is better

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01-12-2014 , 09:13 AM

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Gabethebabe

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With his AF = 1.3 I would have folded here and be pwned by villain

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01-12-2014 , 11:18 AM

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tomj

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Originally Posted by Calm Down

dont call flop if you're gonna fold most turns

hint: you shouldn't fold most turns

Yes, I thought that, cos its exploitable right? But, I don't think average reg here is going to get tricky after his initial attempt fails on the flop - he should, but I doubt most would follow through, although I haven't played much 10nl the players are pretty lousy on this site
(Spade or ace turns he ofc barrels)

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01-12-2014 , 11:25 AM

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tomj

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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe

With his AF = 1.3 I would have folded here and be pwned by villain

How many hands do we need for that stat to become useful? This villain I'd only seen bet bet shove a set vs fish, other than that I didn't see him play a hand post flop. Does AF start at 1 and grow from there or summat?

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01-12-2014 , 07:34 PM

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telf14

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I dont think when you call flop, that it's somehow mandatory to call most turns, unless there is some kind of metagame dynamic at 10nl I don't know about.

I agree with tomj that most guys who xr flop with air here are giving up unless they turn decent equity, and on bricks we should strongly consider folding to the two barrels they make, until we are somewhat wiser to their turn tendencies in xr pots.

I'd say its a bit trickier on cards that bring a chunk of draws but I still would lean towards folding a lot to 2 barrels in spots like this until I feel like villain is getting out of line.

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01-12-2014 , 08:23 PM

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Mr Blonde

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Hand is wp

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01-12-2014 , 08:27 PM

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Patje90

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'Infochecking' is absolutely fine, think about your ranges, he will pbb never call your bet with worse.

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01-12-2014 , 08:45 PM

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Calm Down

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we can def bet 1.3 on river

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01-12-2014 , 09:48 PM

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Paddymctaff

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Yeah bet river small as some straight draws just paired up

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