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01-14-2010 , 10:22 PM
So I know people often say we only post the hands we lose. I'm reviewing a session and this is infact a hand I won (I know sorry don't give away the results). Even though I won it I'm not really sure I played this hand correctly.

Villian is a 28/0/2 after 32 hands. He puts in this weird half pot bet on what seems like a blank turn card. I don't have a paticularlly strong hand here, I'm not sure if I should be playing for stacks here (75bb's anyway), is this optimal or not. I have doubts after reviewing it.

He does seem kinda fishy, playing a weird stack amount, not reloading, ect. What do you think about this line? What is your turn play here?


Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: $7.42
MP2: $8.89
Hero (CO): $14.32
BTN: $9.65
SB: $2.00
BB: $10.00
UTG: $12.89
UTG+1: $14.83

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with K Q
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.50, 3 folds, MP1 calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.15) 5 J Q (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.90, MP1 calls $0.90

Turn: ($2.95) 5 (2 players)
MP1 bets $1.50, Hero raises to $6, MP1 calls $4.50

River: ($14.95) 3 (2 players)
MP1 bets $0.02 all in, Hero calls $0.02
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01-14-2010 , 10:33 PM
lol what did he show? AK? if it was me playing i would probably fold that turn
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01-14-2010 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by urgkorv
lol what did he show? AK? if it was me playing i would probably fold that turn
yeah, he had AK.
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01-14-2010 , 10:41 PM
you cant discount the 5 from his range, or he could just be trying badly to use what he perceives as a scare card. I think I call the turn/river for pot control, but bet the river if he checks.

that being said perhaps getting your stack in is the right call here.
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01-14-2010 , 10:44 PM
So maybe he tried to block bet cause he knew you'd fire again and when u made the sweet raise he clicked the wrong button? LOL
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01-14-2010 , 10:45 PM
i think my thought process was I had a hand I wanted to get to showdown and I couldn't really control the pot, if I called this 1.50 he had 4.50 left and the pot would be 6.00 on the river so it was all going in anyway most likely? maybe he checks back the river though and I don't have to put in that last 4.50....
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01-14-2010 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by saleens281sc
So maybe he tried to block bet cause he knew you'd fire again and when u made the sweet raise he clicked the wrong button? LOL
[ ] misclick
[x] fish can't fold gutshot.
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01-14-2010 , 10:53 PM
but in all seriousness, results not withstanding should I have played this hand differently? after looking at it, i'm not sure if getting it in on the turn here was right.

on one hand if he hit the trip 5s or a boat would he have lead out the turn? why not go for a check raise or lead the river if I check behind? If he's on the draw why only bet half pot.

I guess it boils down to putting him on a range and I guess I can't figure out what his range really is. when he shows down AK i'm obviously baffled....
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01-14-2010 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkDonkDonkDonk
[ ] misclick
[x] fish can't fold gutshot.
and over!... you can't see how he knows he's money?
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01-14-2010 , 11:15 PM
Fish had liek 10 oots. Pot ods.

Nice jam btw.
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01-14-2010 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by techvoodoo
but in all seriousness, results not withstanding should I have played this hand differently? after looking at it, i'm not sure if getting it in on the turn here was right.

on one hand if he hit the trip 5s or a boat would he have lead out the turn? why not go for a check raise or lead the river if I check behind? If he's on the draw why only bet half pot.

I guess it boils down to putting him on a range and I guess I can't figure out what his range really is. when he shows down AK i'm obviously baffled....
in my opinion if a fish hits a trips or boat here he is absolutely betting out here, though I'd think they'd mostly bet closer to pot rather than 1/2 pot. A lot of fish don't check/raise once they hit, they want to throw their money in the pot NOW.
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01-14-2010 , 11:21 PM
fold river
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01-14-2010 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Imagy
Fish had liek 10 oots. Pot ods.

Nice jam btw.
slightly results oriented don't you think?
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01-14-2010 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Boxxy
fold river
+1
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01-14-2010 , 11:59 PM
I like it. I think he calls turn with any diamonds, any queen, If he is a true fish, he will throw out that bet and call any raise with those hands imo. Pure raise for value imo.
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01-15-2010 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by OoLethaLoO
I like it. I think he calls turn with any diamonds, any queen, If he is a true fish, he will throw out that bet and call any raise with those hands imo. Pure raise for value imo.
I agree that they sometimes will with those hands but they will often not as well. I just don't believe its enough to be profitable. My experience with 0pfr/2AF is that they tend to play completely passively until they hit and then fire like crazy regardless of how the board changes. Now he didn't fire or c/r the flop meaning he's mostly doing this with some random 5.

Now I don't advocate folding but I think a check/call for 2 streets is a better option here.
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01-15-2010 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Boxxy
fold river
+5
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01-15-2010 , 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Boxxy
fold river
+20
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