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01-08-2013 , 01:46 PM

BH2

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Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 662

Villain was a 17/15/8.6 over 100 hands

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15305021

BTN: $11.09 (110.9 bb)
SB: $10.91 (109.1 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (UTG): $15.40 (154 bb)
MP: $23.67 (236.7 bb)
CO: $4.05 (40.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J

Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, SB calls $0.25, BB folds

Flop: ($0.70) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, SB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.70) A

(2 players)
SB bets $2.10, Hero ??

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01-08-2013 , 01:58 PM

PeoplesElbow

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hmm i want to raise as i dont see many flushes in there range expect for KQcc. TT/33 in there range,

I want to say being a 17/15 there not cold calling to many SC but the sample is too small to suggest that

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01-08-2013 , 02:45 PM

overcall

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Originally Posted by PeoplesElbow

Agreed with this. And make it big enough that you can shove the river, so I like $5.50-$6.

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01-08-2013 , 03:39 PM

BH2

grinder

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whats he betting on the turn that will call a shove?

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01-08-2013 , 04:23 PM

fib3

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Originally Posted by overcall

Agreed with this. And make it big enough that you can shove the river, so I like $5.50-$6.

if he makes it $6 villain will have like $3 left behind in a $16 pot, so this is by default not great advice.

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Originally Posted by BH2

whats he betting on the turn that will call a shove?

well sets and AK probably but those pay off a river shove often enough imo so i dont see that big of a point in raising here...he doesnt have too many flushes in his range besides KQcc/KJcc or specifically QJcc imo. the only reason to get it in vs a set (or sometimes AK) is that a club kills your action vs these hands.
i flat here expecting to see a chk on a blank river a lot. if the river is a blank and he shoves its a gross spot though.

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01-08-2013 , 04:33 PM

CCM

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Raise and take him to value town. There are plenty of worse hands and the few flush draws he has will often flat on the flop or raise to a larger sizing.

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Originally Posted by fib3

if he makes it $6 villain will have like $3 left behind in a $16 pot, so this is by default not great advice.

Why not? I can still see this being the most EV line, especially if he makes bad calls with pair+draw.

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01-08-2013 , 04:41 PM

BH2

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Originally Posted by fib3

The only sets he can have are TT and 33 (and maybe not TT) surely he would 3bet AK pre as well?

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01-08-2013 , 04:47 PM

CCM

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Originally Posted by BH2

The only sets he can have are TT and 33 (and maybe not TT) surely he would 3bet AK pre as well?

What makes you think this? Look at positions.

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01-08-2013 , 04:52 PM

BH2

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I still think he would 3bet AK.

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01-08-2013 , 05:00 PM

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fib3

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Originally Posted by CCM

Why not? I can still see this being the most EV line, especially if he makes bad calls with pair+draw.

If thats the case we should shove and not leave < 1/5 PSB behind. Plus I was reacting to the guy saying "raise enough so you can shove", which even a minraise will accomplish.

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Originally Posted by BH2

The only sets he can have are TT and 33 (and maybe not TT) surely he would 3bet AK pre as well?

Yeah exactly those are the only sets hed have. I assume hed 3bet AK pre (although he doesn't HAVE to) but its one of the few hands that makes sense otf. I mean a 17/15 is probably not c/r any other K on that board, except maybe KT, but i think with his stats hes more likely to 3bet/fold that from the SB.

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01-08-2013 , 05:07 PM

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BH2

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agree also that is the nut worst turn for any hand that isnt AK and QJ so i dont think i makes sense to bet a set there?

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01-08-2013 , 05:20 PM

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Chuckled

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I can't see what villain would have that bets the turn this much...I'd assume this would be the ultimate scare card given we flatted his raise on the flop...I'd call and evaluate the river...I'm expecting villain to shut down

Any raise pretty much commits us to the pot and I think shoving gets most worse hands to fold while only getting called my flushes and QJ.
I'd assume villain 3bets AK, 1010 preflop

I may be really nitty in this spot but i'm calling, and check calling non club river

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