Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (CO): $10.95
BTN: $10.95
SB: $10.45
BB: $2.00
UTG: $10.00
MP: $10.25

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with A Q
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, 2 folds, MP calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.35) K 7 8 (3 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.00, BTN calls $1, MP calls $1

Turn: ($4.35) 6 (3 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2.00, BTN folds, MP raises to $8.85, Hero folds



MP running at 70/12/3 over 80 hands.
Hero at this table running at 14/12/2 over 100 hands.

Just call here with 1 over card and nut flush draw.

Should I check turn and give up like I always do? Here I played my hand like AKdd, should I just give up on the flop and check/fold?

Anyone call turn bet. I think i dont call enough in these spots its like I am forever folding.

wtf is with your turn bet sizing
at least bet like $3

Would that increase FE? And if bet $3 here can we call a shove or still fold. Not sure why I am even betting turn I cant think of any reasons.

I'm not suggesting this is his full range here, but as an idea, against sets (not KK - he would have raised PF), any 2 pair, any of the straights, you are ~19%.

I would fold too. You have position on a 70/12 player; better spots will come up.

Check flop... vs a villian who plays 70/xx he will call with so many hands at a k78tt board.

I dont understand I would bet AK here right? So why I cant I bet AQ as part of my range if I check the fold and almost always have to check turn even if I improve to a pair of queens right?

My redline sucks..........

This, no need to c-bet here when hes folding almost never.

Betting turn is fine after the flop bet as you pick up good equity and especially if hes the type to give up on the turn. You have to bet bigger though, or a passive like this will find an excuse to call with a wide range.

You have to fold to the raise, your not getting the odds to call.

So best line is to check/fold flop. As played bet bigger and fold again to his C/R.

Okay, thanks guys.

Its nl10.... ppl will stack here with some many hands and as i wrote before - Villian is a uber donk, don't cbet here... If u were HU vs a regular u could 2 barrel, but the turn isn't the best card imo

So I should almost never Cbet with total air v's this type of villain?

I c-bet the flop
C turn and evaluate, if he doesn't bet great i'm drawing to the nuts. If he bets but gives odds I call. If he bets near the pot I have a think, 70/12 would normally suggest implied odds are good enough to come along. Depends what you think of the opponent.

C-betting 3 way on a pretty wet board isnt going to succeed very often, and you have very little equity on the flop.

Also trying to rep AKdd is pretty thin, and the villain probably wont fold a king anyway. A 70/12 is unlikely to hand read very well...

Well it depends on which "type" of donk he is - if he its a guy who calls cbet way too much then its obv that its not that profitable to cbet versus this guy. Some donks just calls way too much PF and gives up if they don't hit nice.

I could see myself cbet this flop (if it was rainbow) and if BTN is a reg and MP is a loose-passive who fold a good amount of time to cbets.

of course it would increase FE, I sometimes jam over weak-looking bets with some bull hands because I know the guy would bet more with AK (not that this villain would, but I'm just saying)

our range has higher equity than BU's range and higher equity than MP's range
but if they have a lot of draws in their range it kind of sucks to bet the flop
when we do bet the flop we hope at least BU folds
if MP calls and BU folds at least we can check back turn and see what happens on the river, he could miss and check it to us in which case we win the pot
if we check flop we immediately give it up because our checking range is weaker than their betting range

barrelling turn is bad because he's STILL not folding a flush draw, T9 got there, 56 is not folding (more outs), 67 got there, 45 got there

check/calculate pot odds is more correct

The MD calls your 4 bet preflop through limping.

The flop comes dangerous so you bet and get call.
When they both call someone probably has a flush draw.
I personally think right now MD or BTN is not calling with anything
like KTs, K9s. Might be KJ or KT because it is $10 NL.
So you might be up against big hand or big draws.

Turn you have no choice but to bet harder or represent something strong.
As now I think if you check BTN will for sure bet.
When that happends and MD reraise or just call you should just fold.
But if BTN bets and MD just call you should also fold because you are likely
be playing against a big draw and a big pair or 2 pair and maybe even straight because T9s or T9 is very likely done by MD that reraise you.

I think you are likely up agaisnt T9s because he limp and call the raise by
pot odds, He checked to see what you guys do but because BTN called you
so he probably doesn't want to reraise for the free card play.
When the six hit and u bet so little for sure he wants to make sure you don't
get free card for posible Flush on him.

That's what I think.

Me neither. Why are barrelling the turn against a 70/12 (and it's 3-way)?

You're talking about balancing your range, and villain doesn't care if you do. He will call if he wants to and if he doesn't he'll fold.

Don't try to play advanced against a morron.

You're playing 10NL, that's quite normal. Focus on getting value from made hands. Against this specific villain it's virtually impossible to have a good red line.

edit: And don't be obsessed with your own stats, try to make good decisions in individual spots.

Your redline goes down when you barrel twice and fold. c/f flop wouldn't affect it that much. Flop is IMO close. 3 way with one total drooler who calls with any pair, c/f is prob good. Turn isn't even close. it's 3 way still and no chance that both of them are folding to a 2$ bet. I'd still c/f, because there is very little chance they are folding to a larger bet either.. If you want to be a spewmonkey/aggressive, then bet near pot and call a shove.

check flop, bet turn is best line.

as played its any easy check on the turn, but since you bet fold to the shove

you need to NOT cbet that board
and you need to CHECK that ugly turn.

OK
- never double barrel in spot like this
- maybe dont even Cbet