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10-05-2013 , 12:08 PM

Winged Kuriboh

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Villain is 19/16, I flatted pre because BB was a mega fish. Thoughts?

Should I be check raising turn here?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19816691

BTN: $10.32 (103.2 bb)
Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $6.44 (64.4 bb)
UTG: $5.14 (51.4 bb)
MP: $11.84 (118.4 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) J

(3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets $0.55, Hero calls $0.55, BB folds

Turn: ($2) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40

River: ($4.80) K

(2 players)
Hero ?????

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10-05-2013 , 12:16 PM

Yoshimiii

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If BB cold calls 3 bets then 3 bet, if not then this is fine.

Depends if you think he has Jx, it sure looks like it from his bet sizes, also depends if you think he is capable of folding Jx here, but XR turn looks good.

As played XR river.

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10-05-2013 , 12:41 PM

Adzman

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Of his range on this board pretty much only thing that will check back is AQ, he's gonna v.bet any J, KQ probably, if double barrelled AK he may check it back or go for thin value, AT got there and if he's got a boat he's betting, also any complete random airballs prob fire here, so he's gonna bet loads of his range here is x/jam and hope he has a smaller boat/heroes it off w/AJ.

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10-05-2013 , 12:52 PM

Deeepz

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Originally Posted by Adzman

Why would he c/b aAQ and vb KQ?

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10-05-2013 , 10:25 PM

Adzman

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Originally Posted by Deeepz

Why would he c/b aAQ and vb KQ?

He's made top 2 w/KQ?

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10-06-2013 , 05:07 PM

Deeepz

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Originally Posted by Adzman

He's made top 2 w/KQ?

Oh, yeah, nvm sry

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10-06-2013 , 06:59 PM

hahahaxD

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Raising turn is bad. He may fold hands like AA/KK/AQ which he may bet river with as well. Let him think he's ahead and get it in on the river. 100% u are mad cuz he had JJ or KK and u are being result oriented.

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10-06-2013 , 07:06 PM

Winged Kuriboh

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Originally Posted by hahahaxD

Yeah, you got me.

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10-06-2013 , 07:09 PM

kail0r

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I like turn xr. And villains will be too acted to bet river with 2 pair and others will call off when u raise turn. I'd do it small .

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10-06-2013 , 09:23 PM

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Adzman

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Turn x/r is bad w/o history as it's only good if you're doing it balanced otherwise there's not much point doing it otherwise as turn x/r are generally super strong.

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10-06-2013 , 09:34 PM

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kail0r

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I agree turn xr is super strong for sure but I think some villains just can't hit fold especially if it's small.

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10-06-2013 , 09:39 PM

#12

Winged Kuriboh

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Don't think balance is that important at 10nl

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10-07-2013 , 02:28 AM

#13

Adzman

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Originally Posted by Winged Kuriboh

Don't think balance is that important at 10nl

I agree, but the reason to do it with total monsters is for the time people want to do it with air and that's about the only reason v.someone who isn't a spewtard

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10-07-2013 , 08:59 AM

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TWhelan

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You will get value from everything on the river if you just call turn that will call a turn check/raise anyway most of the time

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10-07-2013 , 11:15 AM

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Winged Kuriboh

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Originally Posted by TWhelan

You will get value from everything on the river if you just call turn that will call a turn check/raise anyway most of the time

This was my thinking in the hand. Didn't like x/r for this reason but I couple of people I spoke about the hand to suggested it.

Somehow managed to donk the river when the K hit as it was somewhat of a scare card. Thinking was to get value from Qx/KT that might check behind. Small part of his range though and potentially losing value from Jx/9T that just flats etc. Don't like it at all in hindsight.

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10-07-2013 , 12:29 PM

#16

Reemix

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lead flop all the way

as played don't c/r turn. You don't want to fold out his draws. Also you're repping Jx too well, he's gonna fold overpairs and Qx. Check-raise river. He is betting trips for you and he is probably folding Qx when you lead anyways.

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10-07-2013 , 04:53 PM

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hahahaxD

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Originally Posted by Adzman

Turn x/r is bad w/o history as it's only good if you're doing it balanced otherwise there's not much point doing it otherwise as turn x/r are generally super strong.

Doesn't matter if u're balanced in this spot. Still a bad play to raise on this board texture. If there was a like flush draw for example on the turn, we might raise and be balanced. And our raising range for value would be everything else than a boat. More like Jx-type of hands. Never ever raising nuts when we wants villain to make his hand...

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10-07-2013 , 05:30 PM

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TiestoBass

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I'd put him on AJ, KJ, J10, 44, K10, or less likely AA, KK, AK. It's unlikely he has a queen, since there are 3 already out. There's a good chance he might want to represent a J and steal the pot on the turn with K10.

Based on this I think you should be check raising the river. You're not going to get much more value from k10. He's going to bet practically any other hand.

Very interesting hand, took me a while to figure this one out.

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10-07-2013 , 08:10 PM

#19

Black Hat

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I think leading the flop is the best way to get the money in and prevent draws free cards or free showdowns. It also allows you to control how much money goes in the pot without giving away your hand with a c/r at some point.

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10-07-2013 , 08:17 PM

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Adzman

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Originally Posted by hahahaxD

I'm talking about with a great deal of history, if you never have the nuts when you x/r in this spot then good players are going to 3-bet you and put you to really tough decisions, but that's kind of besides the point, obviously against an unknown raising a boat here is bad.

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