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06-24-2010 , 02:22 AM
SB is 18/16/5 over 100 hands. BB is 64/0 over 14 hands.

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Hero (BTN): $13.66
SB: $10.00
BB: $8.32
UTG: $17.07
CO: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with Q J
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) Q 9 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, SB raises to $1.20, BB calls $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

Turn: ($4.50) 3 (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $1, Hero calls $1, SB calls $1

River: ($7.50) 2 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks,
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06-24-2010 , 02:31 AM
Obviously bet >.>
Given BB's stats i'd go for near pot as SB seems to be drawing and probably missed and won't call a bet regardless.
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06-24-2010 , 02:31 AM
I hope you didn't check back that river... the rest of the hand is fine imo, I think SB has a diamond-draw hand here a lot or some gutshots (maybe both) don't know why he would be c/r'ing the flop with anything that beats you here, and BB can just have any piece of the board just looking at his stats and his betsizing.
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06-24-2010 , 02:59 AM
Standard bet river about 5,5$-6,5$(Am I right?). But on the flop and turn I bet more... I just don't see any reason to bet 1$ in 4.50$ pot if every draws failed.
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06-24-2010 , 03:15 AM
Pot it. BB has about 2/3 a PSB left - at 64/0 I doubt he folds a Q or a random 2 pair hand here. Flush was backdoored so he's probably not worried about clubs. I also don't see him calling 1/2 his chips with something that he would fold to a shove.

Looks like SB is done with the hand after missing diamonds or a straight.
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06-24-2010 , 03:31 AM
what do you guy think is in his c/r range here?
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06-24-2010 , 04:25 AM
shove
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06-24-2010 , 09:56 AM
I'm raising that gaybet on the flop with TP. I'm not going to let him see the turn so cheap with TP and I don't want to let SB get such a good price with whatever crap he might have.
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06-24-2010 , 09:59 AM
arrr in
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06-24-2010 , 02:54 PM
I think I would like to see myself raise the flop here. I ended up betting $4.00 at the end and they all folded. I probably could of bet more on the river though because any decent queen or better would call and flush draws would fold no matter what. But they just seemed so weak... so I bet a tiny bit smaller.
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06-24-2010 , 02:59 PM
i would raise that guys 1/3 donk, but i would fold to sbs raise as played. QJ is pretty much smoked by his range there imo.
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06-24-2010 , 04:58 PM
I think you should raise the flop: you have TP, backdoor draws and you raised preflop. Also this is a rather wet flop so you can't let these guys (esp BB) draw for cheap by just flatting a 1/3-pot bet. Any A, K, Q, 9 and is going to either kill your equity or kill your action.

SB's check-raise is weird. Help me out here, since I don't use a HUD (yet): how aggressive is an aggression factor of 5? He does seem to be rather tight preflop though, so I don't know if he would be calling a hand like Q9s even against a button opener. If an aggression factor of 5 means medium aggression, I think this could make his check/raising-range really wide: big hands like KQ/99/77; medium hands that he raises because he feels you're both weak: QJ/QT/TT; and T9s/a diamond draw, again because he thinks you're weak.

I like calling the turn. SB probably won't go for the check-raise again with anything in his range, he would have bet if he was strong enough and will probably check behind if he was bluffing or had a medium-strength hand and got called by two. Obviously you're getting good odds for your draw and a couple of outs, plus you might still have the best hand.

On the river we obviously have to bet since we have a flush. I think the BB is going to fold to any bet we make since he seems to have been on a draw. Therefore the SB is our main target. A read other than his stats would (have) come in nicely here to see if he calls down with top pair (KQ/QJ/QT) or if he's capable of folding these, so we could perhaps adjust our bet sizing to this. As things are, a PSB is probably best, with the added advantage of you being very passive and the club flush being backdoor, he might convince himself with TT that you're trying to represent the flush, rather than actually having it.
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06-24-2010 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by GeorgeT
arrr in
+1 for this

+1000 for the avatar
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06-24-2010 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Feldwebel
I think you should raise the flop: you have TP, backdoor draws and you raised preflop. Also this is a rather wet flop so you can't let these guys (esp BB) draw for cheap by just flatting a 1/3-pot bet. Any A, K, Q, 9 and is going to either kill your equity or kill your action.

SB's check-raise is weird. Help me out here, since I don't use a HUD (yet): how aggressive is an aggression factor of 5? He does seem to be rather tight preflop though, so I don't know if he would be calling a hand like Q9s even against a button opener. If an aggression factor of 5 means medium aggression, I think this could make his check/raising-range really wide: big hands like KQ/99/77; medium hands that he raises because he feels you're both weak: QJ/QT/TT; and T9s/a diamond draw, again because he thinks you're weak.

I like calling the turn. SB probably won't go for the check-raise again with anything in his range, he would have bet if he was strong enough and will probably check behind if he was bluffing or had a medium-strength hand and got called by two. Obviously you're getting good odds for your draw and a couple of outs, plus you might still have the best hand.

On the river we obviously have to bet since we have a flush. I think the BB is going to fold to any bet we make since he seems to have been on a draw. Therefore the SB is our main target. A read other than his stats would (have) come in nicely here to see if he calls down with top pair (KQ/QJ/QT) or if he's capable of folding these, so we could perhaps adjust our bet sizing to this. As things are, a PSB is probably best, with the added advantage of you being very passive and the club flush being backdoor, he might convince himself with TT that you're trying to represent the flush, rather than actually having it.
I hope you meant SB where it read BB and vice versa in the end here, otherwise this post makes no sense
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06-24-2010 , 05:51 PM
Why would it make no sense?
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06-24-2010 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Feldwebel
Why would it make no sense?
Because SB's line is much more indicative of a missed draw than BB's line.
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06-24-2010 , 06:16 PM
I would fold after check raise.
bb is passive and when passive players start betting this is not good.
sb 's range looks like sets top pairs and draws.
Our equity is poor on the flop.
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06-24-2010 , 06:23 PM
lol I was about to say bet the river BEFORE I saw that we hit a BDF ...
o.O erm,... easy bet?
We bet the river w/o a flush ... why would we check with one ...

vs a c-r its ugly but there wont be a lot of checkraises ... once in a bluemoon. ..
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06-24-2010 , 06:37 PM
raise the fish's donk on the flop

def fold to the sb's c/r

pot the river. looks like BB has Qx.
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06-25-2010 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by LefthooK
Because SB's line is much more indicative of a missed draw than BB's line.
Is this true though? BB seems to be a passive player, although we only have 14 hands on him and this only shows us he's passive preflop, we don't know what he's capable of doing postflop. I think he has Qx here quite often, but I think a draw makes up a significant part of his range as well because of his bet sizing. To me his bet sizing seems intended to block big bets from forcing him off his draw. Obviously this makes his call of the check-raise a bit weird, but I think players betting small/calling big raise happens often enough at 10NL to make a draw a significant part of his range.

Also, BB's preflop VPIP makes it likely that he's in there with almost any two suited (and T8), especially with SB padding the pot. SB on the other hand is less likely to call preflop just because his cards are suited.
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06-25-2010 , 02:32 AM
Then what do you think SB has
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06-25-2010 , 02:52 AM
From my first post:

SB's check-raise is weird. Help me out here, since I don't use a HUD (yet): how aggressive is an aggression factor of 5? He does seem to be rather tight preflop though, so I don't know if he would be calling a hand like Q9s even against a button opener. If an aggression factor of 5 means medium aggression, I think this could make his check/raising-range really wide: big hands like KQ/99/77; medium hands that he raises because he feels you're both weak: QJ/QT/TT; and T9s/a diamond draw, again because he thinks you're weak.
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06-25-2010 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Feldwebel
Is this true though? BB seems to be a passive player, although we only have 14 hands on him and this only shows us he's passive preflop, we don't know what he's capable of doing postflop. I think he has Qx here quite often, but I think a draw makes up a significant part of his range as well because of his bet sizing. To me his bet sizing seems intended to block big bets from forcing him off his draw. Obviously this makes his call of the check-raise a bit weird, but I think players betting small/calling big raise happens often enough at 10NL to make a draw a significant part of his range.

Also, BB's preflop VPIP makes it likely that he's in there with almost any two suited (and T8), especially with SB padding the pot. SB on the other hand is less likely to call preflop just because his cards are suited.
SB's c/r flop, c/c small turn bet, c blank riv line just screams a draw. You think he does this with a Q? 2 pair? A set? Nothing else makes sense imo.

BB seems fishy so his range is much wider, with Qx making up most of it. I would also include pair + FDs and a small % of draws.

I expect that SB folds this riv every time. We just have to bet and hope that BB makes a loose call.
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06-25-2010 , 01:04 PM
Pre- OK
Flop- re-raise pot [to thin the herd and tighten the range you are assigning your opponent].
Flop- [as played] fold to the re-raise
Turn - OK
RvR - Raise pot/3
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