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09-02-2009 , 01:50 AM

sevendeuc24

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Villian is 56/22/1 over 9 hands

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $11.72
Hero (MP): $10.03
CO: $12.14
BTN: $12.36
SB: $8.81
BB: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with T

UTG raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 4 folds

Flop: ($1.15) 8

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.60, UTG raises to $5.95, Hero requests TIME, Hero ???

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09-02-2009 , 01:55 AM

dcredskins24

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if you're going to raise make it bigger.

also dont raise unless you're willing to stack off.

Last edited by dcredskins24; 09-02-2009 at 02:11 AM. Reason: misread OP

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09-02-2009 , 02:02 AM

sevendeuc24

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i didn't c/r ,just raised his flop bet

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09-02-2009 , 02:04 AM

dcredskins24

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Originally Posted by sevendeuc24

i didn't c/r ,just raised his flop bet

same thing applies.

what are you hoping to accomplish by raising?

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09-02-2009 , 02:07 AM

skraper

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We should flat this flop 99%

If we raise, we have to get it in as a big portion of villains 3b/shoving range is draws. Basically getting it in on this flop is not as +ev as flatting and reevaluating turn bc we have position.

Note the dif between this hand and the other you posted being: position, SPR, and who is the PFA.

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09-02-2009 , 02:09 AM

gonzalo86

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Originally Posted by dcredskins24

if you're going to c/r make it bigger.

also dont c/r unless you're willing to stack off.

how did op check raise if he's the one with position?

better to call the flop bet then to re-raise as for him coming over the top of you it's best to just fold he has to have a monster hand after that re-raise

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09-02-2009 , 02:11 AM

dcredskins24

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Originally Posted by gonzalo86

my mistake as noted above. still applies to a regular raise.

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09-02-2009 , 02:14 AM

sevendeuc24

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ok, but what about raising to get value from the flush draws while were ahead

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09-02-2009 , 02:14 AM

GOONERCAM

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Originally Posted by dcredskins24

also dont raise unless you're willing to stack off.

in future i'd be a bit more specific otherwise you'll face ridicule because isolated this is the most stupid thing i've ever heard

but yeah i agree with the point here, flatting seems by far the best option

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09-02-2009 , 02:18 AM

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dcredskins24

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Originally Posted by GOONERCAM

in future i'd be a bit more specific otherwise you'll face ridicule because isolated this is the most stupid thing i've ever heard

but yeah i agree with the point here, flatting seems by far the best option

I know what you mean but most people dont actually take the time to read full thought processes/posts etc for me to spend time explaining the whole thing in every thread.

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09-02-2009 , 02:20 AM

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GOONERCAM

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Originally Posted by dcredskins24

I know what you mean but most people dont actually take the time to read full thought processes/posts etc for me to spend time explaining the whole thing in every thread.

i know you understand exactly the parameters of which you're comment makes sense, keep the advice coming

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09-02-2009 , 03:15 AM

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TheFurrr

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Given this line I see flatting the flop and going from there but (and I know we have a small sample size on the villain but) given his range why not 3 bet PF? Should he actually show up with a hand then he will insta-pop PF and at that point we can fold to a 4 bet and avoid the tricky decision on the flop

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09-02-2009 , 09:46 AM

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dcredskins24

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Originally Posted by TheFurrr

Given this line I see flatting the flop and going from there but (and I know we have a small sample size on the villain but) given his range why not 3 bet PF? Should he actually show up with a hand then he will insta-pop PF and at that point we can fold to a 4 bet and avoid the tricky decision on the flop

not a reason to 3b, DUCY?

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09-02-2009 , 10:19 AM

#14

DefiniteMaybe

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Originally Posted by dcredskins24

not a reason to 3b, DUCY?

No. please explain.

If we 3-bet pre-flop, his response will give us more information going to the flop.

Since we also have relative position on the raiser, a 3-bet pre also helps to isolate by discouraging late position players from over calling. Someone trailing in can play us both in postion and possibly squeeze us on the flop action.

Last edited by DefiniteMaybe; 09-02-2009 at 10:31 AM.

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09-02-2009 , 10:21 AM

#15

knotfan1234

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as played id shove and hopefully dodge a bunch of cards

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09-02-2009 , 10:30 AM

#16

DefiniteMaybe

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Originally Posted by sevendeuc24

ok, but what about raising to get value from the flush draws while were ahead

What flush draws? AhKh, KhQh, KhJh,QhJh are all ahead of our overpair, w/ 14 outs (we have a blocking h).

AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 99, and 88 are crushing us.

Your only beating a total spew monkey. He's loose so far, but only 9 hands. Aggression factor of 1 says he has it here.

As played, easy fold.

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09-02-2009 , 11:48 AM

#17

sevendeuc24

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ok guys thanks, i folded and i agree i really misplayed this hand

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09-02-2009 , 12:05 PM

#18

Megloooo

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if your gonna raise the flop on a low board then why not 3bet pre?

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09-02-2009 , 12:13 PM

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BuniAyu

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As played I snap fold.
no read w/ only 9hands and vs typical vil range we are in bad shape

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09-02-2009 , 08:35 PM

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Spraggy

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Originally Posted by OllyPrior89

if your gonna raise the flop on a low board then why not 3bet pre?

+1.

3bet pre for information making this a lot easier to play post.

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09-02-2009 , 11:15 PM

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skraper

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Originally Posted by Spraggy

+1.

3bet pre for information making this a lot easier to play post.

we shouldn't be 3b for info... this is spew

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09-02-2009 , 11:19 PM

#22

HDV2

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Yeah I definitely flat the flop and re-evaluate the river. This seems like a pretty strong draw to me and I think we still have value to extract on the turn because with the stats he has he will most likely keep chasing.

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09-02-2009 , 11:31 PM

#23

Maliterra

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A 3-bet is pretty marginal given we have zero read on villain. If villain is a thinking decent player he is almost never calling with worse. 3-betting pre-flop allows him to play his hand perfectly, especially of he is 4-bet shoving AK. If villain had a donkish stack I'd say this is an easy 3-bet for value. As is, I call to set mine or try to see a cheap SD.

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09-03-2009 , 12:58 AM

#24

Ksight3

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I'm pretty sure we can R/F in this particular spot

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