I was wondering how I should have played this hand. Villain is 51/29/4.8 over 45 hands. I don't think the min-raise call from the BB is a bad play, but perhaps I could hear some thoughts. My question is on the turn, shove or call? Of course, comments on all parts of the hand are welcome.


Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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SB: $19.25
Hero (BB): $18.50
UTG: $10.05
UTG+1: $2.05
UTG+2: $1.95
MP1: $11.00
MP2: $12.35
CO: $6.50
BTN: $8.90

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with T Q
7 folds, SB raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.40) 9 3 J (2 players)
SB bets $0.60, Hero raises to $2.80, SB raises to $5.70, Hero calls $2.90

Turn: ($11.80) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $1.00, Hero?

IMO u should fold pre so u wont get in these spots. As played id fold flop bet

Oh sorry, forgot reads. Villain had been checking or min-betting his made hands. About a dozen hands earlier I caught him overbetting the pot on the river with air.

grunch.

you're pretty deep, so I don't mind the call PF. I'd even think you're ahead a lot of the time but if he's not the type to fold, then I'd wanna see a flop

as played, it's obvious that he's pretty nervous about that club draw and his overbet is definitely a little funny. {he's either on a FD or he likes to bet his 1 pair hand hard when obvious draws are out there}
I really don't think you have any FE on this flop though, and you're hand will be disguised a bit if you make your straight (since he'll be looking more for a club) so I'd opt for a flat call.

what I'd really hate is exactly what happened where you raised his flop bet, but he reraised you and then you can call, fold or shove. you're pretty deep, so shoving seems a little spewy and if you just call now after his reraise, then he's 99% going to fire a bullet on the turn (his turn bet sizing is ******ed fwiw).

i think it's that you have to fold the turn now though

it's basically a limp in and they're so deep. don't you think it's a little nitty to fold PF?

obviously he outplayed him self with the flop raise, but I'd call this some percentage against this villain. I myself raise really wide when it's limped to me in the SB... somewhere around 70% of my hands

Nitty yes, but for me it helps NOT getting into these situations. If OP is confident playing QTo against this villan then go for it, but for me this is a fold pre.

IMO as played i still fold flop as any club is most likely going to kill the action, which reduces our chances of getting paid i.e. i dont think the implied odds are going to be enough to call in this situation.

However I could be wrong with my reasoning....

I should fold the turn to his $1 bet? I'm getting 12.8 to 1. I figure I have at least six outs to make a straight, maybe eight if he's not on a FD. Call it seven outs on average. I would need 6.6 to 1 to make a profitable call. I wasn't really considering folding here.

well, I did misread it as a $10 turn bet, sorry bout that.
the only thing is that when someone aggressive slows down like that it could be a trap (say if he's got J9) I'm not saying to look for monsters under the bed, but this spot sucks for you cause if he does have air, then you're not getting paid off and if you make your straight you might pay him off. the reverse implied odds here are no where near what you need.
the other thing is that if you miss and he checks then your only chance to win the pot is to bet at it.... are you willing to fire a blank river?

I'm not crazy about the call preflop because your hand doesn't have a whole lot of postflop value. They're not suited, there's a gap, and even against a LAG you're not going to feel very confident if you flop either a T or a Q. Depending on his call3b%, I'd prefer a 3-bet here to the flat call OOP.

On the flop I despise that huge raise. All you have is an OESD at that point - the only hand that's going to call such a big raise is a hand that has you well behind. What are you trying to accomplish with such a huge raise?

To tell you the truth I was trying to win the pot right there on the flop. Once he reraised, I figured he might actually have something (a piece of the board or a pp) and I could possibly stack him on the turn or river, so my implied odds were better than the 3:1 odds I was getting on his reraise. I just about ruled out a set on the flop, as his overbet did not line up in any way with his previous play.

Also, I was not oop. He was SB, I was BB.

Maybe I'm being results oriented. It's killing me that I nearly went all-in on the turn, but decided to call with the juicy odds. He min bet .10 on the river after a blank, and I just called there too, knowing I was beat, but glad to pay only .10 to see what he had. He flipped A6o to take down the pot with A-high.

Fine, but you don't need to make such a large raise to accomplish that (against most players, at least). If he's going to fold to a $2.80 raise, he'll most likely fold to a $1.50 raise. That way you put less of your stack at risk when he shows up with a big hand there.

At least now you can make a solid note on the guy: "maniac."