CO is 5/1/3 over 274 hands.

Before the zomg don't show results, I'm showing the results here not because I want advice on the hand necessarily, but more to talk about peoples ranges.

After his raise on the flop I thought folding was the right thing to do because frankly I couldn't think of anything a 5/1/3 is making this raise with other than some sort of Qx or maybe a slowplayed AA. I was sort of tilting and said F it and got it in anyway.

I'm glad I did (even if the end result sucks) because it got me thinking about peoples ranges. In my mind someone with these stats over this sized sample is never getting it in with the hand he did. Do I just not understand how to accurately put people on ranges? Is this just the 1 in 100 times sort of situation where he has the hand he has? Or is this sort of thing happening a lot more often but I'm making folds and not seeing their hand?




Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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BB: $8.92
UTG: $10.51
UTG+1: $10.00
MP1: $3.40
Hero (MP2): $10.25
CO: $10.00
BTN: $18.71
SB: $10.24

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP2 with K K
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, CO calls $0.40, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.95) Q Q 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, CO raises to $2.10, Hero raises to $9.85 all in, CO calls $7.50 all in

Turn: ($20.15) 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($20.15) J (2 players - 2 are all in)

I guess he assumed that there are lots of flush draws in your range and very few Qs or over pairs .

ps.these nits are getting tilty bored after a long period of dryness and might get out of line on the very next hand they will play .

You'd think someone that's only played like 12 out of 250 hands probably would be waiting for something a little stronger to stack off with though no? Whenever I feel like maybe I'm getting a handle on this game crazy stuff like this happens and I question everything I think I know.

Or maybe this isn't crazy? maybe it's standard and I infact don't know anything lol.

maybe for this guy it would be better to play AA only.

I'm not sure I understand what point you are making?

I was just saying hes an uber nit and played his hand terrible postflop.So maybe he should play AA only (where he isnt too far from lol) to make less mistakes postflop.

Not sure what to think about your line, I guess you got it in ahead so, nh.

ah I see what your saying. yes he's such a nit I really didn't see what he could be doing this with besides AA or Qx and I think overall my line should be terrible. I say "should be" terrible because it makes no sense for him to have anything else here.

That is what got me thinking about how we put people on ranges. I am not sure if I just horribly suck at putting people on ranges (i.e. giving people way too much or not nearly enough credit). In this case I was giving him too much credit apparently (I thought I was going to tilt off a buyin here some huge percentage of the time).

I guess the point is how can you ever put someone on a range of hands when the info you have to go on suggests one thing and they do something totally opposite with no rhyme or reason?

Or is there rhyme and reason to his play and I don't understand how to range someone correctly?

meh, I dont think you can really fold. i think he doesnt even have Qx in his range to be honest, like maybe AQs and QQ but IDK.Also if his stats are accurate he prolly doesnt even have a set of 4s in his range, but ive never seen someone this tight over a bigger sample.I could be biased since I saw the results though.

Also what youre saying about his range, I mean you only know his preflop tendencies, and TT is definately in his range for calling preflop.The only surprising thing is that he ships the flop, but then again, people do weird/bad things especially at microstakes.Its impossible to say how often he decides to get it in there and if it is his default play in this spot.But most nits are gonna flatcall TT there for sure.

but one more thing, if youre only beat by very few combos he can actually have, he doesnt have to spew/bluff/semibluff/valuebet worse very often to make up for the few times he has it.