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03-19-2018 , 01:45 PM
Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 66.1 BB (VPIP: 27.87, PFR: 9.24, 3Bet Preflop: 5.32, Hands: 1,080)
BTN: 113.1 BB (VPIP: 28.96, PFR: 20.49, 3Bet Preflop: 5.03, Hands: 1,337)
SB: 88.4 BB (VPIP: 31.15, PFR: 20.49, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 125)
Hero (BB): 153.2 BB
UTG: 34 BB (VPIP: 20.59, PFR: 1.76, 3Bet Preflop: 1.49, Hands: 176)
MP: 33.3 BB (VPIP: 76.92, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T T

fold, MP calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, BTN raises to 7 BB, SB calls 6.5 BB, Hero raises to 21.9 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 14.9 BB

Flop: (52.8 BB, 2 players) J K 6
SB checks, Hero bets 131.3 BB and is all-in

I made the shove based on instinct, because there was already so much money in the pot, and I felt I had fold eq on that board. But maybe it was spewy. I'd like to know the math here so I could say for certain.
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03-19-2018 , 02:21 PM
the math said check
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03-19-2018 , 03:43 PM
oh no

what is going on

I probably just flat PF too.
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03-19-2018 , 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ojune
the math said check
I get it. This post looks like something a bad player who thinks they’re good would say, by using terms like math when the answer is obvious. But I’ve never said I think I’m a good player. I honestly just want to know how one could use math here. There was no other intention behind this post.
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03-19-2018 , 03:51 PM
Well that's an icky mess. Agree with James id flat pre and as played agree with Ojune
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03-19-2018 , 04:44 PM
There is no easy math answer, it's about the ev of shoving vs checking. You're not folding out any better hands and are rarely getting called by worse. While the 1-1 spr is a good reason to bet, it's not good enough.
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03-19-2018 , 08:19 PM
As a general rule of thumb, don’t use a ship line on that SPR.
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03-19-2018 , 09:18 PM
You'd be able to calculate the EV of a shove here (assuming you range villain correctly) because both players will be all in.

(fold frequency)(pot size) + (call frequency)[(your equity)(pot size + bet size) + (villain's equity)(- bet size)]

As was said, this doesn't really help you much here, since there are too many reasons why you should check.
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