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06-26-2010 , 08:22 PM

screwed99

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OK PFR here is 12/9 from 67 hands with infinite aggession, has cbet 2 out of 3 times before this hand. Cold caller is very passive 32/19 from 75 hands and 0.5 agg. I feel very uncomfortable being out of position here and generally am not enjoying the hand... Any tips on how I should of played it?

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NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($10)
Hero ($10)
UTG ($10)
UTG+1 ($10.54)
UTG+2 ($6.33)
MP1 ($10)
CO ($32.64)
BTN ($10.15)

Dealt to Hero K

fold, fold, fold, MP1 raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.20

FLOP ($0.95) 6

Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.60, CO calls $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

TURN ($2.75) 6

Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO checks

RIVER ($2.75) 6

Hero checks, MP1 bets $2.20, CO folds, Hero...

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06-26-2010 , 08:40 PM

jaysinya90

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Call at least obvs, since you've got him beat. Probs not getting a call off a worse hand, since don't think he's opening KJ from mid. His turn check is a big foghorn that he whiffed the flop / doesn't like the King, since he'd prob bet every street with AA/KK/AK/10s etc. with his aggression.

I'd say he had AQ or JJ.

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06-26-2010 , 08:50 PM

Elusive

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This is 6max forum not full ring. I'd bet/fold the river

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06-26-2010 , 08:50 PM

hWu

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Pretty straightforward call imo.
You c/c'ed the flop and checked the turn with TPGK, your hand is underrepped on the river and Villain is probably bluffing here a good amount of time as well.

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06-26-2010 , 08:50 PM

Matjes

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call

the 2 changes nothing except he decided to cbet 22 OTF into 2 opponents and hit his set, but as jaysinya said, he'd bet the turn with hands that have you beat. looks more like QJ, AQ, AJ, JJ bluffing at it after the turn got checked through.

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06-26-2010 , 09:10 PM

screwed99

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OK point taken about the 6max comment I will post in the full-ring one from now on.

I understand the call on the river that's not really my problem. I put him on a bluff and he flipped QJs(hearts).

My problem here is betting as non-PFR first to act in a 3-way pot. Elusive said I should bet/fold the river. Does anyone else agree with this? Does anyone bet the turn?

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06-27-2010 , 12:38 AM

oogabuga265

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Lead out or make a squeeze play on the flop. As played you have to call because your hand is under-represented. I also lead the river too.

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06-27-2010 , 12:40 AM

hWu

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Originally Posted by oogabuga265

Lead out or make a squeeze play on the flop.

Curious; are we doing this as a bluff or for value?

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06-27-2010 , 12:45 AM

NoMeansNo

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Originally Posted by oogabuga265

Lead out or make a squeeze play on the flop.

I don't think this guy has a clue.

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06-27-2010 , 12:57 AM

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oogabuga265

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Either way I don't like taking the passive approach by just calling. I think you need to bet or raise somewhere.

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06-27-2010 , 02:04 AM

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uncle_chopchop

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lead river to get value from hands that are otherwise going to check back looking for sd value

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06-27-2010 , 02:24 AM

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hWu

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Originally Posted by oogabuga265

Either way I don't like taking the passive approach by just calling. I think you need to bet or raise somewhere.

Sorry to keep pressing on here, but I just got to get something straight.
You're willing to turn our TPGK into a bluff just to take the non-passive approach? If we squeeze on the flop we're really just value towning ourselves against sets and better kings/2 paired kings; only hands that we can really get value from are KJ specifically and maybe QJ, but its unlikely
I agree with betting somewhere (i'm hoping you mean on the river), but I don't get the reasoning behind squeezing the flop.

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06-27-2010 , 02:57 AM

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oogabuga265

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Originally Posted by hWu

I agree squeezing the flop is not an exceptionally good idea. But I think he should bet the flop instead of check/calling.

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06-27-2010 , 04:40 AM

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Snaaak

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I fold preflop, tight player opens from MP means I'd dump KQo but I'm used to 6max so I could be wrong about the proper ranges here, given that we called pre I like postflop if we called river...

what is our plan if we bet the flop? I don't think he's calling a wider range on the flop than he would be cbetting so what's the advantage of betting here? Plus that the fish is located behind the PFR so we're more likely to get some dead money from him if the pfr cbets than when we would bet ourselves

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06-27-2010 , 04:56 AM

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moneybag09

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+1, pre is a fold

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06-27-2010 , 05:03 AM

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NoMeansNo

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I was not aware that we could squeeze the flop, I always thought a squeeze was a raise after a bet and one or more callers in front of the raiser.

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06-27-2010 , 05:18 AM

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screwed99

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OK I agree with check/calling flop is anyone betting turn after this?

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