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10NL - Maniac - I'm confused on all streets 10NL - Maniac - I'm confused on all streets

03-10-2010 , 09:01 PM
Villain is raising to $1 on all hands he plays, regardless of position or action, lack of....etc.

He's a maniac and will follow through. I love guys like this cause they will donate sooner or later, but they definitely increase the variance, they are going to get you sometimes.

I wanted to raise pre-flop and on the flop, but pre-flop I'm out of position and he is almost certainly calling or raising, and on the flop, the decision to raise seems trivial now, but at the time I thought I was too deep to just get it in. In retrospect....

On every street I was unsure what to do. Advices needed.....

Stacks are 150BB effective

Cake Poker .05/10 No Limit Holdem

Dealt to Hero($15.44) in BB (KJ)
BUT ($24.35)


3 folds, BUT raises to $1, SB folds, HERO calls $1

Pot = $2.05

Flop

2 4 5

HERO checks, BUT bets $2.50, HERO calls $2.50
Pot = $5.05

Turn

9

HERO checks, BUT bets $5, HERO calls

River

A

BUT bets ALL-IN, HERO ????
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03-10-2010 , 09:11 PM
Fold pre. Either shove flop or fold. Calling down 2 streets then folding when you miss is burning money.

If villain is raising every hand like this pre I would be more patient and play in position and play a hand that I can 3bet pre.
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03-11-2010 , 05:40 AM
You don't want to put a third of your stack in and then fold. Your equity is at its highest on the flop. You have 9 outs to a flush and two overcards. With fold equity, I'm jamming here. Then you don't have to worry about the turn and river while getting it in good.

Are you comfortable, based on your read, stacking off with TP against him with an okay kicker? That's what hand you are going to make most of the time with KJs. If you aren't, then you probably don't want to play it even though it is (depending on how much he plays preflop) ahead of his range.
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03-11-2010 , 05:48 AM
KJ plays phenomenal against a maniac. See no point in 3betting pre in this situation as he allready puts in 10bb. Calling flop isnt all that bad if you are going to shove turn at least, he never has anything so you has teh foldequitay on both streets.
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03-11-2010 , 06:15 AM
folding KJs pre v. a maniac (if he's really a maniac - a maniac is not defined by HOW MUCH they raise PF, but HOW OFTEN, and "over-raising" with deep stacks is smart, not stupid) 150 BB deep against a btn raise is a leak.

i also think a 3b pre here is fine, and i wouldn't be in any hurry to jettison top pair against him if he's actually firing as much as you perceive him to be.

as played, i don't really like donking with much of anything, since you're going to reduce your EV against his med value hands (66-99/TT) when you do have a hand that you want to bet/shove. i also don't think a lead is going to get him off most good Ahi hands, since you look like a mid pair he's got some value in overs+gs (plus, if you're going to call down with Ahi, this is when you do it). given that AX is a juggernaut of his range, c/r seems like the best value line. however, if you're c/r the flop for value, then you probably are betting/shoving blank turns for value, so that's the type of line you want to think about. how much credit are you going to get? if he's going to call you with JJ+, then i would instinctively say that you're going to be profitable (didn't check math) because that's only a very small portion of what is likely a pretty wide btn PF raising range, and you still have some legit equity with a card to come.

however, you can't take that line with your draws all the time, b/c the combinatorics skew your range away from value. in that case, i don't think it's bad to just c/c flop and turn ui (folding turn isn't that bad even) and fold river. if you're never doing this with your draws, that's a leak too.

i also don't think c/r turn is too bad either, provided that you sometimes do this with monsters (which is a good idea, since you want to check to hyper-aggressive players, especially on drawy boards where they can talk themselves into stacking off light, b/c you're bluffing them).

in general, i hate 3 to a wheel flops, and am glad i'm not alone on that.
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03-11-2010 , 06:30 AM
Against these kind of players I'd either keep your range tight and in position, so fold pre, or go the opposite and play back at them with 3bet pre and check/shove this flop with FD and 2 overs.

Going loose-passive oop on them is just burning money.
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03-11-2010 , 08:32 AM
Thanks guys. This hand had me burning up inside.

He really was crazy and ready to give it away, barreling down if you were passive at all. I 4 bet him earlier with Ak when he opened the button to $1, SB had 3.80 and I shoved all in for $11. He folded. So it's not like it's he won't fold some hands, and against a guy like this, I flopped the virtual nuts if I know I can get some folds out of him.

I think it's pretty clear now against a guy like this that I should have just got it in on the flop. And no baby raises either. Check/shove all in. He will fold just about everything, cause my hand looks pretty strong. It would look like I slow played AA or something.

The funny thing is that my hand had more equity on the flop than AA would, and I certainly would have shoved that. I let him get me flustered though and almost felt like I didn't want him to fold on the flop. I wanted him to stack off and me to make a flush. Bad thought process I know.
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03-11-2010 , 08:41 AM
Unanimously fold the river here???

We have the 2nd nut-non paired hand and we only have to be good less than 20% of the time. I felt like it was a bad card for me to try to hero call at the time cause he has to know I have an A here a good amount of the time, but then again, he only has to put in $4 more dollars to win $26 so I doubt he cares(or really thought about it much).
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03-11-2010 , 11:05 AM
sorry.... am i the only one that thinks its funny that the "but" raises and the "but" bets. I wish my "but" would do that. It would help with my carpal tunnel. LOL "but bets all-in"
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03-11-2010 , 12:12 PM
Ignore this. I just discovered the HH converter for Cake. Just practicing.

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (5 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($10.86)
BB ($4.03)
UTG ($2.96)
MP ($2.18)
Button ($4)

Preflop:
UTG bets $0.08, MP calls $0.08, Button calls $0.08, SB calls $0.06, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.36) Q, 9, J (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.18, 1 fold, Button calls $0.18, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.72) J (2 players)
UTG checks, Button bets $0.36, UTG calls $0.36

River: ($1.44) 10 (2 players)
UTG checks, Button checks

Total pot: $1.44 | Rake: $0.09
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