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01-05-2013 , 08:01 PM
Villain in this case was raising about 60% of his range on the button over 500 hands. Flopping top pair on a dry board, I decided to check/raise this flop for value, figuring that he's going to defend with a lot of worse Qx hands in his range, and perhaps hands like JJ/TT that want to hero-call. I fully intend on betting this all down to the river and calling any 3bets on the flop/calling down since there's a possibility of "rebluffs" on his part.

My questions are, is this too thin, firstly. And secondly, what's the weakest hand you'd do this for value with?

Winning Poker Network - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $20.46
SB: $10.29
Hero (BB): $6.67
CO: $6.38

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q K

fold, BTN raises to $0.20, fold, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45, 2 players) 3 Q 8
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.70, BTN calls $0.55

Turn: ($1.85, 2 players) 2
Hero bets $1.20, BTN calls $1.20

River: ($4.25, 2 players) 6
Hero bets $4.57 and is all-in, BTN calls $4.57
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01-05-2013 , 08:11 PM
well we would need to know more than that he raises 60% from button. That's actually rather decent button steal %...So doesn't really tell much about his postflop tendencies when given checkraise. Unless he starts to face more pressure he can safely fold QJ, QT, Q9 types of hands here and make profit with his steals...

Certainly unless he's spewy fish he might not even continue TT/JJ that much on flop nevermind turn. Might even 4bet those pre but that's bit doubtful. River would be real optimistic so you are basically hoping for call from QT/QJ which is bit optimistic unless he's major spewy fish or you have more aggressive dynamic going on(but unlikely in micro's that he would even pay attention that you could be doing this with pure air time to time)
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01-05-2013 , 08:18 PM
Why not buy in full? you will get more value from these fish by having a full stack and making tp than sitting short and having fps
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01-05-2013 , 08:20 PM
I forgot to add, that he did call me down with 3rd pair on an K82J4 board against my three-barrel, BTN Vs. BB. His stats, overall, were 36/26, 7% 3-bet, 18% 4-bet (5/29), and a 76% c-bet flop.

Last edited by Boolean; 01-05-2013 at 08:40 PM.
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01-05-2013 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Scratcher
Why not buy in full? you will get more value from these fish by having a full stack and making tp than sitting short and having fps
It was a short table, $5 max buy-in. Not many games run at my limit where I'm playing now.

With regards to fps, I'm looking to push edges wherever I can, even if they deviate from Standard Operating Procedure.

There are many people who I wouldn't try this on, but I think I'm far too passive in these situations, and I'd like to experiment with a different strategy for playing on the flop, with a slightly higher check/raising percentage, mixing in some thin value hands, monsters, and bluffs.

Also, I decided against 3betting pre since this guy was typically 4bet/folding, and I'd rather have a polarized 3bet range and a solid middling call preflop range to dominate the hands he's typically raising with.

Last edited by Boolean; 01-05-2013 at 08:26 PM.
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01-05-2013 , 08:33 PM
i just flat these spots, you're kinda turning your hand from a very strong bluff catcher into a bluff. I'd much rather 3bet preflop then barrel this off as a value line instead.
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01-05-2013 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by cardbrute
i just flat these spots, you're kinda turning your hand from a very strong bluff catcher into a bluff. I'd much rather 3bet preflop then barrel this off as a value line instead.
That's my standard line, but against this villain, I think there are a lot more hands in his range that he's likely to turn into bluff catchers than hands he is willing to barrel off with.
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01-05-2013 , 08:37 PM
What do you think about donking the flop?
I kinda like your line. def not too thin with 60bb, I think you could do this with any tp
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01-05-2013 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Scratcher
What do you think about donking the flop?
I think that it's a line I use sometimes, but I think loses value against someone who raises a lot pre and c-bets too frequently. I also think it looks a little stronger/wider than check/raising, which typically would polarize someone's range to a bluff/two pair+.
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01-05-2013 , 10:42 PM
def not thin at all, played fine.

rinse/repeat move up
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