This is from a live game, CO is a solid TAG, BTN is on the wild side.

Chips:
Hero (MP): $41
CO: $40
BTN: $24

Hero is dealt 33, opens for $0.50
CO calls, BTN calls.

Flop ($1.65): J T 3 2 hearts.

Hero bets $1.25
CO raises to $3.00
BTN reraises all in for $23.50!!!!

Hero...

Now before you say snap-call, please consider CO is yet to play and I am 400BB deep.

Edit: And my image at the table is very nitty. We've been playing every week for about 2 years now so lots of history.

instashove

there's no way you can fold 33 in that spot. You are very often against a combo draw, like KQhearts. Considering the deep stacks I would ask to run it twice or even four times.

I don't think I can fold either but I tell you, it wasn't easy either. We play together once or twice every week and while the stakes are small, we are a very competitive bunch and hands like this get seared into memory

Playing with these guys as much as I do, I have a pretty solid read on them. BTN will never just call with TT or JJ preflop so I pretty much knew I was calling him but CO is a problem. Him having 400BB makes this very tricky. I know he never calls or shoves with less than a set here. Even if he has odds in a 3 way pot, this guy will never risk 400BB on a draw or a pair, even 2 pair.

I was thinking of calling and folding to a CO shove. I don't know I could pull that off though. If he did shove, I'm not sure I could'a found the fold even though I knew I was beat.

As it played, he folded and BTN (as expected) showed KJo for top pair and back door flush draw. Turn was another heart which made it interesting but I hit quads on the river. He later said he didn't realize he was so deep when he shoved.


Huge pot, up $27 and bragging rights

I really don't think that calling and folding to a CO shove is good at all. You will have put in 60% of your stack at that point and will be getting better than 5:1 on your money with only $17 left into an $88 pot.

If you're going to fold, just fold to the BTN shove. I think calling/folding is kind of spewy considering the sick odds that we're going to be getting if CO shoves. Plus, wouldn't a solid TAG be 3betting TT/JJ a lot IP? - I'm not sure if you're playing 9 handed or 3 or 6 or what here btw but if it's 6 or less a solid TAG should be 3betting those most of the time.

Considering that a solid TAG also isn't going to be minraising his sets on such a drawy board I am quite inclined to believe that the TAG does not have a set and is probably trying to draw cheaply. So I think this should be a call BTN shove/call CO if he shoves too.

Yeah, in a vacuum, you are right but knowing these people really well, I know CO will sometimes call with TT (maybe not JJ) especially if I'm the original raiser. I know the line sounds crazy and like I said, I'm not all that sure I could have found the fold. I probably woulda called feeling really sick about it.

Does anyone else here think it's an insta call/shove given the stacks invloved though? I mean, I did end up calling but I sure as heck had to stop and think it out first.

You realize that calling and then folding you have to be correct that CO has TT/JJ 5 out of 6 times.

whatever you do, don't do that.

Not to be rude here, but this hand is extremely player specific, just as many home games are. If you have 2 years of history with the players, we can't help you.

In the end, it is a math problem. How likely is it for both of them to raise like this with something you beat? If it is +EV, shove. If not, fold.

Yeah, if you knew the like I do, you wouldn't be surprised.

If he shoves 400BB over the top, he's got the nuts 9 out 10 times. This guy can fold top 2 to an all in on a rainbow flop if the stacks are deep.

Then I would say your read is wrong about him being a solid TAG and he's actually kind of a scared nit due to the following:

a) he minraises on a drawy board
b) he folds top 2 in a home game with people that are wild like BTN and have unusually large calling ranges
c) he seems like he's scared money as you stated again regarding folding top 2 when deep in a home game

Regardless, think about his flop minraising range and what % of that range is exactly TT/JJ. I think it's pretty small in terms of his overall range there and you are giving up massive equity vs BTN if you fold here.

Yeah, you have a good point here. As for the math, yeah, I was almost 100% sure I was beat if CO over shoves. I call BTN's raise all day, guy's a maniac.

He actually makes some good folds with top two. It all depends on the action and who it's coming for.

You do make a very good point that I failed to notice till now. He would never minbet with a set on that board. Had I thought of that, I would have had a much easier time...