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10nl; limped pot, turn tp facing re-raise. 10nl; limped pot, turn tp facing re-raise.

09-20-2010 , 12:32 AM
Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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CO: $10.00
BTN: $5.74
SB: $14.04
Hero (BB): $10.19
UTG: $10.15

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 2 7
2 folds, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.30) 2 8 K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.30) 7 (3 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, BTN folds, SB raises to $1.50, Hero?
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09-20-2010 , 12:45 AM
call and call rivers that dont pair the board

shove 2/7 rivers
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09-20-2010 , 01:33 AM
fold
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09-20-2010 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH
call and call rivers that dont pair the board

shove 2/7 rivers
+1. You don't mention any stats on villain but I would at least be calling turn.
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09-20-2010 , 06:15 AM
Ugh this is kind of sick because he clicked it back and gave us great odds. But if we're beat we're on a 4-outer really, and we have bottom two pair.

I really, really don't like the turn raise, seems like classic WA/WB. I mean the board is quite dry and his first bet can basically be:

- slowplayed set (because he's a fish who thinks slowplaying is the nuts)
- better two pair (maybe 87 and he didn't want to bet middle pair on the flop)
- a chop (4 combos, and he's probably folding pre)

- 8x figuring it's safe to bet now
- "omg a 7, I have one of those"
- stabbing with air

And I can't see him either 3-betting or calling any of those worse hands.

I don't think it's a good implied odds situation, either; a 2 or a 7 can easily give him a better boat with the "ahead" portion of his range.

Any reads/history that add to that list above? Could he be massively spewing with a BDFD or something? Maybe T9cc, 65cc?
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09-20-2010 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by halftilt
Ugh this is kind of sick because he clicked it back and gave us great odds. But if we're beat we're on a 4-outer really, and we have bottom two pair.

I really, really don't like the turn raise, seems like classic WA/WB. I mean the board is quite dry and his first bet can basically be:

- slowplayed set (because he's a fish who thinks slowplaying is the nuts)
- better two pair (maybe 87 and he didn't want to bet middle pair on the flop)
- a chop (4 combos, and he's probably folding pre)

- 8x figuring it's safe to bet now
- "omg a 7, I have one of those"
- stabbing with air

And I can't see him either 3-betting or calling any of those worse hands.

I don't think it's a good implied odds situation, either; a 2 or a 7 can easily give him a better boat with the "ahead" portion of his range.

Any reads/history that add to that list above? Could he be massively spewing with a BDFD or something? Maybe T9cc, 65cc?
No real reads, he sat down about 15 or so hands ago and had been mostly folding. The more I think about this hand and after reading your analysis, I agree that this looks like a WA/WB situation.
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09-20-2010 , 06:34 PM
If he's a real drooler fish then I probably shove turn. Too many times this is overvalued Kx or slowplayed AA/AK from a drooler but in a vacuum I agree with just flatting the turn although r/fold isn't that bad either IMO.
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09-20-2010 , 08:10 PM
This is never (99%) a bluff.
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09-20-2010 , 08:14 PM
Raising turn is good because it looks like he picked up some sort of draw. He's giving us ridiculous odds, but we're likely drawing dead or to 2-4 outs. I don't see him doing this with just Kx like I wouldn't see just Kx here if I had AA, I'd fold.
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09-20-2010 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jarretman
If he's a real drooler fish then I probably shove turn. Too many times this is overvalued Kx or slowplayed AA/AK from a drooler but in a vacuum I agree with just flatting the turn although r/fold isn't that bad either IMO.
No reads, if you put a overvalueing AK and AA in his range then raise/folding is just horrible.

I dont think they are in his range almost ever, I actually think we are beat here very very often.
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09-20-2010 , 09:10 PM
Yea I don't think he ever has AA and Kx did cross my mind but I was leaning more towards something like T9c or 69c. I probably should of just flatted the turn bet or folded to the raise. He gave me such good odds to continue though.
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