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07-30-2010 , 04:45 PM

yodachoda

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Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: $9.91
UTG+2: $13.69
MP1: $11.44
MP2: $3.15
CO: $4.36
BTN: $24.46
SB: $3.50
Hero (BB): $10.98
UTG: $5.03

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with K

4 folds, MP2 raises to $0.35, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.75) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

River: ($1.75) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, MP2 folds

Villian is 10/10/38 over 80 hands. Is a more aggro line better?

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07-30-2010 , 04:54 PM

PokerRon247

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Fold pre, but as played your line looks fine. No value in raising flop or betting turn, river is worth a small thin v-bet to get value from 99-JJ.

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07-30-2010 , 07:31 PM

chess3007

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fold pre. you are playing OOP against a nit which is a clear no no. if he rasies you otf, what are you going to do? it would be very much +ev to fold in this spot every single time and move on. as played though, i would lean out with .5 and check turn and bet 1ish on the river for thin value

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07-30-2010 , 07:35 PM

PokerRon247

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Originally Posted by chess3007

as played though, i would lean out with .5 and check turn and bet 1ish on the river for thin value

What would be the purpose of leading out .50?

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07-30-2010 , 07:52 PM

chess3007

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Originally Posted by PokerRon247

What would be the purpose of leading out .50?

top pair second best kicker? as i said in my post, i would fold this pre since im oop and playing against a tight nit. check/calling otf is very weak imo and if you lean out and barrell turn you have a chance of him folding aq

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07-30-2010 , 07:57 PM

MVicuna

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Depending on his fold to 3 bet I bluff raise or fold.

If he was a little looser or a little more passive I'd call.

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07-30-2010 , 07:58 PM

PokerRon247

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Originally Posted by chess3007

So you're leading out into him to try and make him fold exactly one hand that beats you?

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07-30-2010 , 08:00 PM

MVicuna

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Originally Posted by chess3007

The only way someone is folding AQ, maybe, is to a CR barreling all streets. Then its pretty rare.

The only hands that are folding to donks are hands you beat. Most of those hands would have bet the flop since its so dry so you've just lost yourself money.

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07-30-2010 , 08:38 PM

chess3007

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if you check, and he bets, where are you at? hes betting most mid pairs, all sets, tptk, and overpairs. if you lead out, you know his range is sets, aq, and overs and can therefore save yourself money if he raises/flats the cbet otf. as i said before, its a very bad situation because you are playing oop against a tight nit so i would just fold pre flop and not get myself in sticky sitatuions like this one. i would probably if i flat pre, i would lead out otf and c/f the turn. hes only continuing otf when you are beat

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07-30-2010 , 08:40 PM

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PokerRon247

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Originally Posted by chess3007

So you're betting for information? Sounds like a terrible plan to me....

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07-30-2010 , 09:17 PM

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chess3007

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Originally Posted by PokerRon247

So you're betting for information? Sounds like a terrible plan to me....

explain to me why check/calling is a better plan?

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07-30-2010 , 09:50 PM

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meh I don't hate pre since it's only 80 hands and nit/TAG ranges take longer to converge.

He's got 31 bb and I'm assuming he's bad so I'm comfy stacking off Kxx and Qxx flops and he'll have enough worse since I give more credit to stack size than stats over small samples.

Plus our SPR is going to be perfect for our most likely hand.

Bigger sample and he turns out to actually be 10/10 then this is a fold. You will stay out of trouble a lot more though if you just ignore me and fold like a lot of other people say since you're OOP and it's going to be slightly trickier.

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07-30-2010 , 10:24 PM

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FishWhisperer

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Sounds like there is some disagreement on flop action (check? raise?).

Question - if the villain had much higher VPIP (e.g. 30+), would you definitely raise as a value bet & to raise the pot with top pair, strong kicker?

And I'm new here, but I'd fold preflop against a TAG/NIT. On flop, I'm in the raise "camp" betting to build the pot and avoiding giving others free cards (I'd never slow play with just a pair at 10NL).

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