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11-25-2011 , 07:55 AM
SB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $10.96 (109.6 bb)
MP: $1.69 (16.9 bb)
Hero (BTN): $13.41 (134.1 bb)
BB: $4.58 (45.8 bb)
CO: $19.42 (194.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K Q
2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, SB folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 5 T Q (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60, BB folds

Turn: ($2.15) T (2 players)
CO bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

River: ($4.55) 2 (2 players)
CO bets $2.30, Hero ?



Opponent is 18\15, CO raise 28 %, cBet 86%, turn rvr about 60 %

Would you call it down?
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11-25-2011 , 08:07 AM
tempted to shove but folding is prob best
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11-25-2011 , 08:25 AM
shoving is sexy fo so
but yeah I fold cause I have this stupid fish complex and dont shove in these spots
but not calling anyway
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11-25-2011 , 08:36 AM
Why shove is better than call? o_O
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11-25-2011 , 08:39 AM
you're not really beating anything,very optimistic to think he's bluffing or betting JJ or worse Q
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11-25-2011 , 08:42 AM
nothing except for JQ or KJ (which he`ll hardle bet at all here)

at the same time shoving to make him fold AQ here, i dunno, i don`t think so =/

In general i think he`d bet bigger w AQ, so OTR , imo his range is polorized a lot
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11-25-2011 , 08:47 AM
How many hands it looks like he can value bet thin enough to make a call good here. Its not a bluffing spot for me i dont like shoving atall.

60% on turn and river surley includes more hands than over pairs and aq.
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11-25-2011 , 08:49 AM
if we shove it's as a bluff and to fold out AQ, KK+. He should fold it since our range is strong and there aren't many busted draws we can have. For the same reasons calling would be bad. KQ is really close to the bottom of our range so if you call with that, what are you folding here?

fwiw i think his range is as far from polarized as it can be
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11-25-2011 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by fsn
if we shove it's as a bluff and to fold out AQ, KK+. He should fold it since our range is strong and there aren't many busted draws we can have. For the same reasons calling would be bad. KQ is really close to the bottom of our range so if you call with that, what are you folding here?

fwiw i think his range is as far from polarized as it can be
If not taking in account his sizing, then sure, why not
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11-25-2011 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by fsn
fwiw i think his range is as far from polarized as it can be
yep, also note bet sizing
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11-25-2011 , 09:55 AM
bet sizing def doesn't polarize his range, quite the opposite. And anyway it's hard to be polarized if you have almost 0 air combos in your range
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11-25-2011 , 10:15 AM
well yes that's what I was saying
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11-25-2011 , 10:49 AM
Except for having position, is there any other reason we aren't folding pre?

Don't think there's a lot of money to be made with KQ versus this villain.. amirite?
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11-25-2011 , 10:53 AM
CO raise 28% cbet 86% i think flatting is fine

as played without reads you can flip a coin I guess. his betsizing doesn't look like a bluff tho
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11-25-2011 , 11:29 AM
CO raise 28 % - Didn't quite read this. Yeah I guess that makes flatting fine
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11-25-2011 , 11:35 AM
prob a fold unless you've seen him vbet thin
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11-25-2011 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
well yes that's what I was saying
yeye was replying to the post above yours. too lazy to quote
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11-25-2011 , 12:14 PM
Def a fold. Hate shoving unless we are sure we can bluff villian off the best hand. Zero air hands in his range imo.
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