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10NL KK on dry board 10NL KK on dry board

09-30-2008 , 03:39 PM
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BTN: $18.00
SB: $10.35
Hero (BB): $17.90
UTG: $16.75
CO: $11.30

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with K K
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, BTN raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.60, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.20

Flop: ($3.35) 8 7 J (2 players)
Hero bets $2.40, BTN raises to $16.40 all in, Hero calls $13.90 all in

Turn: ($35.95) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($35.95) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Villain is a unkown. Is my line good here? What is villains range here?
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09-30-2008 , 03:46 PM
i think its good

dont think he would have raised u on flop with a set or something stronger then yours...

villains range?

10Js is possible,AJ as well... no history so its pretty hard to tell how wide his range here at this spot imo.
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09-30-2008 , 03:54 PM
yea, really hard to put the villan on a range when u have no info on him.
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09-30-2008 , 04:00 PM
So its std to call here, or is a fold more std here?
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09-30-2008 , 04:13 PM
At 10nl i call as you're ahead more often than you're behind
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09-30-2008 , 04:53 PM
I think most ppl 4bet QQ+ in this spot but just to be optimistic I'll include it

Board: 8d 7c Js
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.054% 38.48% 00.58% 105135 1575.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 60.946% 60.37% 00.58% 164955 1575.00 { QQ-JJ, AJs, T9s, 87s, AJo, T9o, 87o }

If you can somehow get KJ and QJ in his range here you become a slight favorite but I think that's being REALLY optimistic. I know it's disgusting to fold KK (don't think I could do it vs unknown @ 10nl) in this spot but I really think you will be behind more than not vs a decent player~

I also don't think this board is a dry as you think considering positions and pf play~
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09-30-2008 , 05:26 PM
Let's think about what the villain can possibly have and what he can safely think you have based on the action.
Your 3bet preflop and cbet on the flop should tell him that you're on a high pocket pair or possibly a set of J's, unless you 3bet light but since neither of you have stats on each other it is better to think in terms of standards. This makes it pretty clear to him that you are, most of the time, not going to fold to a shove here. Yet he still shoves, which would mean he most definately has a hand and wants you to call him. Also, since youre both deepstacked this makes it a perfect place for him to call your 3bet with speculative hands like T9 or 87.
When you consider all this, the obvious course of action imo is to fold because most of the time here villain will have a straight, two pairs, a set or pocket aces. This is all of course just my personal opinion and I am eager to read any counter-arguments.

EDIT: When I say the only course of action is to fold, I obviously mean fold to his shove on the flop. The 3bet and cbet on the flop are otherwise fine.

Last edited by roman375; 09-30-2008 at 05:31 PM.
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09-30-2008 , 08:09 PM
john, why do u put T9 in his possibilities? a 10 9 will obviously slow play here.

i really think only TPTK or pair+gutshot can shove here..

why would a made hand shove on this board?
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09-30-2008 , 08:15 PM
I don't think 9T obviously slow plays here and it is completely within his shoving range. People over rep their hands @ 10nl I really think he is saying "HEY I FLOPPED A MONSTER" and hero is in bad shape.
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09-30-2008 , 10:35 PM
I dont think no one is that stupid to shove that flop with 9T..lol

huge overbet, maybe 2pair, not the nuts
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