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10NL JJ in 3bet pot, 3way on dry board. 10NL JJ in 3bet pot, 3way on dry board.

09-17-2014 , 10:44 AM
mp2 is 24/21, 50% AF over 66 hands. btn is 20/8 over 25 hands if thats relevant.

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    Hero (SB): $17.30 (173 bb)
    BB: $5.62 (56.2 bb)
    UTG+1: $13.40 (134 bb)
    UTG+2: $13.52 (135.2 bb)
    MP1: $9.88 (98.8 bb)
    MP2: $11.36 (113.6 bb)
    MP3: $10 (100 bb)
    CO: $5 (50 bb)
    BTN: $12.02 (120.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with J J
    3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, BB folds, MP2 calls $0.90, BTN calls $0.90

    Flop: ($3.70) 4 8 3 (3 players)
    Hero bets $2.65, MP2 raises to $10.16 and is all-in, BTN folds, Hero calls $7.51

    Turn: ($24.02) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($24.02) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $24.02 pot ($1.08 rake)
    Final Board: 4 8 3 9 2
    Hero showed J J and lost (-$11.36 net)
    MP2 showed Q Q and won $22.94 ($11.58 net)
    BTN mucked and lost (-$1.20 net)


    I would guess the cbet is mandatory, perhaps sizing could be smaller? Can we call the shove with the info we have, or are we always crushed as we only beat 99-TT?

    I dont understand why villian flats oop vs a 3bet, then jams over cbet, we could have KK, AA with our line.
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    09-17-2014 , 11:53 PM
    I would have thought this spot is super marginal to call the all in. Although Im interested in what others have to say. I guess the argument for calling is that villain is more likley to 4bet AA-KK preflop and could be shoving flop with AK 99 or TT but I wouldn't be surprised to be shown better more often then not.
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    09-18-2014 , 01:20 AM
    I would bet smaller otf and play it carefully. W/o a read that V will spazz out with 99/TT/Ax I would simply fold to a raise. I'm not that surprised that he didn't 4b QQ, since it's not always standard, esp. when someone fancies himself as a good post flop player. It looks like his intention was to trap/wait for decent flop, and he was able to accomplish both of those. I would be mad about folding, but would still likely find the fold button
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    09-18-2014 , 09:34 AM
    Bet half pot OTF, and to me this is a super standard snap fold, he is either set miming multiway in 3b pot and has hit his set or shows up with QQ+

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    09-18-2014 , 10:00 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by StealingYourJobs
    Bet half pot OTF, and to me this is a super standard snap fold, he is either set miming multiway in 3b pot and has hit his set or shows up with QQ+

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    +1
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    09-18-2014 , 10:03 AM
    Never overvalue JJ OOP. You have to be able to get away from this hand unless villain jams with everything.
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    09-18-2014 , 10:22 AM
    As said cbet is too big, I don't mind betting really small here 40% or something. I might be wrong, but as played I'm happy to call.
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    09-18-2014 , 10:39 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tilty_McDonkawhirl
    I would bet smaller otf and play it carefully. W/o a read that V will spazz out with 99/TT/Ax I would simply fold to a raise. I'm not that surprised that he didn't 4b QQ, since it's not always standard, esp. when someone fancies himself as a good post flop player. It looks like his intention was to trap/wait for decent flop, and he was able to accomplish both of those. I would be mad about folding, but would still likely find the fold button
    Completely agree with Tilty. Tough playing JJ OOP in a 3bet pot against two opponents. Based on PF action, I'd actually expect MP to flat his QQ given that he still has the button behind him but the 3bettor in front.
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