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03-25-2011 , 03:31 PM
FYI I usually play higher, mostly ssnl. Not that it matters for this hand, but maybe will quell some of the "zomg you're stats are so f terrible." I mess around at .05/.10 to blow off steam, try weird things, etc etc. If people find this hand un-interesting, my bad.

So I have been at the table maybe 4-5 orbits. UTG is at all 4 of my tables and if he has a HUD, has me running @ 38/33/20%+ 3bet, dunno maybe even higher. UTG is an Italian semi-fish running 32/27/54% fold to 3bet.

Relevant history with UTG is I just stacked him at another table a minute or two earlier with JJ vs his AK in a super weird pre-flop spot where he kept CiB-ing my raises. If he has paid any attention (which I doubt), he might notice that while I am opening and 3betting super wide I tighten up a ton when the flop is multi-way and haven't been barreling much when I whiff flops.

BB is a 90 vpip awful fish.

Comment on anything you like obv, but I think the river is the most interesting part. I have a psb left, so do people like shove, c/c, c/f???


[converted_hand][hand_history]Full Tilt, $0.05/$0.10, $0.02 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8449532

Hero (SB): $22.14 (221.4 bb)
BB: $7.57 (75.7 bb)
UTG: $27.54 (275.4 bb)
MP: $21.87 (218.7 bb)
CO: $21.55 (215.5 bb)
BTN: $18.77 (187.7 bb)

Preflop: ($0.12) Hero is SB with 5 4
UTG raises to $0.40, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.11, BB calls $1.01, UTG calls $0.71

Flop: ($3.45) 7 3 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $1.88, BB folds, UTG calls $1.88

Turn: ($7.21) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.99, UTG calls $4.99

River: ($17.19) 7 (2 players)
Hero ???
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03-25-2011 , 03:36 PM
Bet/Fold $10
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03-25-2011 , 03:55 PM
3-betting is meh/ok. It looks like he calls 3-bets kind of light as it is, and if he's slightly positionally aware you probably don't have much FE against his UTG range.

I'd bet way more OTF as I don't think he's folding anything for $3.45 that he wouldn't fold for $1.88.

Turn is fine.

OTR is he capable of calling with AKx/Qx here? If not I think betting is suicide. Even if he is I might still consider c/c and hope he turns it into a bluff. Of course c/f is an option. I'm more interested in your postflop reads than preflop ones.
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03-25-2011 , 04:01 PM
is this the worst spot to 3b light in history.
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03-25-2011 , 04:21 PM
I wouldn't 3b here and I might bet more as a cbet (u prob can make a argument for balance reasons). As played, I prob cf.
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03-25-2011 , 04:36 PM
yea this is a pretty terrible light 3 bet. first, you have a guy who has a habit of not folding to 3 bets raising UTG. then youre repopping in the SB when the BB is playing 90 percent of his hands and is likely to cold call anything decent, and UTG will call anything he has if thats the case, and probably would anyway since he probably has a strong range UTG, but we do need to check whether hes positionally aware.

on the other hand this is a nice spot to value 3 bet wider. do that instead of trying to outplay fish
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03-25-2011 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mojo6911
Bet/Fold $10
Then we have like 4 bucks left
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03-25-2011 , 05:06 PM
c/f against a fish and with your image. he isn't folding a pair and you can't vbet.
Pre is pretty bad OOP and flop bet is way way too small with effective nuts and deep stacks.
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03-25-2011 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ExpectedV
Then we have like 4 bucks left
LOL I didnt pay attention. Crap, didn't know the board had trips. That's what I get for glossing over. c/f
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03-25-2011 , 05:34 PM
as played bet wayyyyy more on flop close to pot as he's never folding a big club and might spaz raise with it. Turn ok, river I think is c/f as he will never call with worse, and I think when he bets is rarely a bluff.

PF obviously is bad but I think thats been brought up enough.
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03-25-2011 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fearofaces
is this the worst spot to 3b light in history.
It's admittedly not great, but I am playing 10nl to become an aggrotard and get myself on some crazy spots. So shania cringes in the corner when I spew stacks at these stakes

Lots of people hate pre for obv good reasons, but do you think that the preflop error overshadows the rest of the action? it might, just kinda curious how big of a mistake it really is.
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03-25-2011 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ExpectedV
I wouldn't 3b here and I might bet more as a cbet (u prob can make a argument for balance reasons). As played, I prob cf.

Hmm. Lots of people hate my flop sizing, but it's just a habit I picked up for balance (as you pointed out). My size in this spot is standard for me and sets me up to play for stacks on the river if I want. And I'm for sure not going to vary it based on whether I flopped the perceived nuts or not (not saying you advocated this, just a general point).

The sizing seemed pretty standard to me on all streets, I'm kind of surprised it has generated this much discussion. I can agree to disagree on the sizing stuff b/c it seems minor to me with regards to this hand. river decision is what I am most curious about.
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03-25-2011 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by optionality
Hmm. Lots of people hate my flop sizing, but it's just a habit I picked up for balance (as you pointed out). My size in this spot is standard for me and sets me up to play for stacks on the river if I want. And I'm for sure not going to vary it based on whether I flopped the perceived nuts or not (not saying you advocated this, just a general point).

The sizing seemed pretty standard to me on all streets, I'm kind of surprised it has generated this much discussion. I can agree to disagree on the sizing stuff b/c it seems minor to me with regards to this hand. river decision is what I am most curious about.
tbh I think river is a pretty clear cut c/f and as for your sizing I think its ok to make it lower for balance reasons only if u think villain is aware of it. Otherwise, your just losing value.
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03-25-2011 , 06:04 PM
C/f river
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03-25-2011 , 07:26 PM
tough spot for sure. considering his f to 3b is really high u only beat AK. although i am tempted to shove i donnt think he is ever folding a pair given ur image and history and in all likeliness he is tilted.
so c/f seems just about right.
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03-25-2011 , 08:01 PM
c/f it is. thx guys
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03-25-2011 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by optionality
UTG is an Italian semi-fish
Pre is terrible but this makes it especially ewww donotwant.jpg. As for the hand, I'm bombing the flop because they aren't folding tonnns of hands. Sucks the board ran out this way but you miss value from AcX and KcX hands when you bet this small and they aren't folding overpairs. River is unfortunate, c/f
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03-25-2011 , 08:42 PM
Didn't really give any postflop reads on UTG but there are 16 combos of AK/AQ with 1 club that could get to the river like this.
If you feel they will bluff these then I'm feeling a check / call. If not obv check / fold.
Also if they would play these hands more aggressively on flop or turn then that leans to check / fold.
Also due to your maniacal image I'd say there's a fair chance UTG would 4b / play for stacks pre with stuff like TT / JJ weighting their range more to unpaired 1 club stuff.
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