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08-28-2010 , 12:52 AM
Ok I got all confused on this hand. I'm thinking he has KK and decided to string him along and let him cbet, then RR turn but a K hits. What is the play on the river? This is his second hand at the table.


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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BTN: $25.94
SB: $5.05
BB: $10.00
UTG: $4.00
UTG+1: $15.13
MP1: $10.00
MP2: $10.00
Hero (CO): $15.49

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with T T
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.05) 2 T A (2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($4.05) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($4.05) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.80, BB raises to $8 all in, Hero ???
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08-28-2010 , 01:57 AM
Raise the flop to set up for a pot sized shove on the turn and then proceed to get it in.
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08-28-2010 , 02:35 AM
8 combos of AK and 6 combos of AA and KK. if he has a bluff range even better. bet/call the turn and if shows up with one of the 6 combos that beat u then its a cooler.
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08-28-2010 , 02:38 AM
Grunch raise this flop for sure, he either has:

AA - doesn't matter how you play this, you are going to go broke

KK-JJ -These hands won't put any more money in after the call, unless they improve,

AK-AJ (at the widest) - A raise grows the pot

Pairs below 99 - less likely to 3bet, but won't call another bet unless they improve which is unlikely (except for 22)

KQ, KJ, QJ - unlikely, but need to raise to stop giving them a free chance to draw out

suited connectors - very unlikely, not putting any more money in unless they want to bluff

The thing is here, if you raise, Ax will continue (as well as AA) and this is where you get value, if you flat call this flop raise, you let broadway hands and KK-JJ freeroll to beat you (which won't happen alot, but it is reason enough to raise).

Cliffs:
Villain's range is very strong
Hands that you beat like KK-JJ and broadways will only put more money in if they improve to a hand better than yours
If he has AA, fyl
Raise for value from AK-AJ
Post reads/stats next time

As played bet turn and call river c/r could be AK often enough.
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08-28-2010 , 09:46 AM
Raise flop or bet turn.
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08-28-2010 , 09:54 AM
You shouldnt put an unkown on one specific hand like you did now with KK, also if you put him only on KK, why would you call preflop?
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08-28-2010 , 10:36 AM
With two hands against villain there's no way you can say he has KK and not AK.

I'd raise the flop, bet the turn when checked and as played to the end I call the shove. I pretty excited here to see AK here and if I'm beat it doesn't bother me much.
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08-28-2010 , 01:36 PM
Great advise guys. I wish I had played this hand totally different by raising the flop. I will get it in next time and not be afraid to call the RR on the River. I wussed out and folded to save $6.

I think 90% of the time in these situations when I do call, they have close to what I was thinking and lose.
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08-28-2010 , 01:46 PM
Fancy play syndrome.

Raise flop, calling is basically giving random BS QJ/KJ 3:1 to spike, AK/AQ/AT/22/AA will oblige and stack off, and you probably even get 1-2 streets of value from KK/QQ/JJ/AJ/Ax, maybe even 99/air. There is so much that you are ahead of on the flop that will pay you off it's not even funny.
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08-29-2010 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by rezod21
Great advise guys. I wish I had played this hand totally different by raising the flop. I will get it in next time and not be afraid to call the RR on the River. I wussed out and folded to save $6.

I think 90% of the time in these situations when I do call, they have close to what I was thinking and lose.
If this is actually true in this situation then the sample size isn't big enough. Remember that if all those 90% of the times you lost was the same situation(and it was a true representation of the true outcome) and you had better than ten to one to call then you made the right play. Don't be results orientated. Also pokers a strange game it maybe seem like 90% but it's probably not you just remember the times you lose more than the times you win if it hurts you more.
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08-29-2010 , 07:27 AM
checking back the turn is absolutely terrible.
This is a 3bet pot and you have a set.
I just don't understand how you can put him on a single hand in his entire range based on the preflop and flop action.
Also, putting yourself in his spot with KK, why wouldn't he continue to fire on the turn?
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08-29-2010 , 07:40 AM
Poker4MyFood said exactly what I was going to say.
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08-29-2010 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by jeun
You shouldnt put an unkown on one specific hand like you did now with KK, also if you put him only on KK, why would you call preflop?
For the 1:8 implied odds of flopping a set at 100bb.
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