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10NL Facing Turn x/r in Weird Spot 10NL Facing Turn x/r in Weird Spot

08-16-2017 , 06:33 PM
Hey, just looking for thoughts on this hand. Turn raise is so weird and super polarising. We lose to so few combos and I know it's a call in theory but does villain have enough bluffs on such a dry board to justify a call?

iPoker - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 80.2 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
CO: 111.4 BB (VPIP: 22.04, PFR: 18.09, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 313)
BTN: 110.3 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 23)
Hero (SB): 132.3 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 17.95, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 39)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K T

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5 BB, 2 players) 3 K K
Hero bets 2 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Turn: (9 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 7.2 BB, BB raises to 21.4 BB, Hero calls 14.2 BB

River: (51.8 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BB bets 34 BB, Hero calls 34 BB
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08-16-2017 , 11:32 PM
So you loose to 33, AK,KQ and KJ.
If he has 33, good for him. Pay off!
AK is out of the question almost 99.999% of the time.
KQ is not there as much as you think. V has a 3bet(it is a small sample but he does have 3bets and I quess he would 3bet KQ pre)
KJ I don't think takes this line as well. Our range is wide but not capped here so we can have AK and KQ and 33 so if he raises he can't get much action from worst...
As for bluffs, he could have JT( if he floated the flop with it)
So your near the top of your range and you loose to very few logical combos...
It's going to be very exploitative to fold this hand..
Hand played well imo
And I guess you lost to 33, don't be result oriented... It happens sometimes!


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08-17-2017 , 03:12 AM
Call it down. He can even V bet worse.
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08-17-2017 , 06:32 PM
Nl10 Reg never bluffs here and doesnt raise turn with worse Kings.
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08-18-2017 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by sinnaJ
Nl10 Reg never bluffs here and doesnt raise turn with worse Kings.
only 39 hands on V.
I believe they can make mistakes and overrep their hands here.

Seems to nitty to fold, right?
And are u folding to turn raise?
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08-18-2017 , 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by AltoZZ
only 39 hands on V.
I believe they can make mistakes and overrep their hands here.

Seems to nitty to fold, right?
And are u folding to turn raise?
Obv its very exploitable if we fold KT here.

But i think villains stats are very indicative of being a reg.
I know its BvsB i just believe that regs are mostly nutted when they raise turn. Especially when they would need to float air on flop to have bluffs here.
I mean what does he expect us to b,b/f?
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08-18-2017 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by sinnaJ
Obv its very exploitable if we fold KT here.

But i think villains stats are very indicative of being a reg.
I know its BvsB i just believe that regs are mostly nutted when they raise turn. Especially when they would need to float air on flop to have bluffs here.
I mean what does he expect us to b,b/f?
Villain 100% floats wide here OTF in position, having air here is not the problem. I agree with the rest of what you're saying, villain really doesn't have much JT here, maybe 3 combos of JTs with BDFD.

I just feel we block lots of villain value, and since villain has raised turn (which he probably shouldn't) we may be able to assign more worse Kx or bluffs in villains range to call. I just think folding Kx here BvB is just too exploitative.
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08-18-2017 , 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ALongmuir
Villain 100% floats wide here OTF in position, having air here is not the problem.
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You dont know this. At smaller stakes i approach every Reg as beeing way too passive. Just because you float wide here does not mean every reg approaches this spot like you do. Obviously he would need to defend a lot of his range on the flop and his and our range should be fairly wide.
In practice bad regs just fold way too much here a lot. And even if he floats a lot he will also fold his floats a lot on turn.

If it was just calling turn and we know he checks river 100% im fine with calling turn for about 33%. However i expect villain to rarely shutdown on river and i think we can make a good exploitive fold vs the tendency of most regs on Nl 10.

I have to admit i dont know how Nl10 plays these days but i always approached it in the described way. If someone is aggressive postflop this is usually a very noticable trait and most regs just arent. They dont valuebet enough and they never bluff with air if its not a cbet. Or they make a lot of really terrible bluffs. If you understand ranges and are able to act accordingly with different parts of your ranges, you are not stuck on Nl10 for long.
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08-18-2017 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by sinnaJ
You dont know this. At smaller stakes i approach every Reg as beeing way too passive. Just because you float wide here does not mean every reg approaches this spot like you do. Obviously he would need to defend a lot of his range on the flop and his and our range should be fairly wide.
In practice bad regs just fold way too much here a lot. And even if he floats a lot he will also fold his floats a lot on turn.

If it was just calling turn and we know he checks river 100% im fine with calling turn for about 33%. However i expect villain to rarely shutdown on river and i think we can make a good exploitive fold vs the tendency of most regs on Nl 10.

I have to admit i dont know how Nl10 plays these days but i always approached it in the described way. If someone is aggressive postflop this is usually a very noticable trait and most regs just arent. They dont valuebet enough and they never bluff with air if its not a cbet. Or they make a lot of really terrible bluffs. If you understand ranges and are able to act accordingly with different parts of your ranges, you are not stuck on Nl10 for long.
My bad, perhaps it was rash saying they always do it. I agree with what you're saying and have came to similar conclusions. Thanks for the advice
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