both villians are unknown and OTF getting 17:1 could i really fold?

but when both called after i came out strong is there any value in betting the river?


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $2.45
SB: $5.20
Hero (BB): $11.05
UTG: $5.70
UTG+1: $1.60
MP1: $10.00
MP2: $3.65
CO: $11.70

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 2 T
UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 2 folds, CO calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, UTG calls $0.90, 1 fold, CO calls $0.90

Flop: ($3.15) 6 7 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.20, CO calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($3.75) 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $2.40, UTG calls $2.40, CO calls $2.40

River: ($10.95) K (3 players)
Hero ?

Why are you isoing 3 limpers OOP with T2o?

First thing you need to do with this and and some others you posted is to make better decisions about what hands to 3bet light. At least pick 2 cards that have some relation to each other.

When Doyle played T2 it was heads-up at the end of the Main Event. Not the same thing.

+1

I said this in your other thread about min-raises. If you don't have that much confidence in your post flop skills, don't needlessly put yourself in difficult situations.

And yes, there is value on the river. A lot of two pair combos are checking behind you. A couple of 9x hands that stayed on the flop and will call weaker river bets etc.

Is isoing with garbage really that wrong of a play? I do it quite often against villains who will fold to a cbet.

Isoing 3 players, one with 16BB's with T2o is probably not a profitable move imo.

Do it in position, and not against short stacks. Playing OOP with garbage in a big pot hurts.

Also, I prefer to do it with something that is not complete garbage... something like a suited one-gapper or suited king/queen at the minimum.

For the hand itself, there is value on the river - lots of two pairs will call...

UTG+1 was 27/7 with a limp/fold of 90%+

CO is 53/13 with limp/fold 30-40%

Yeah, you're right on all three counts. Especially not against SSer or OOP.

Pre-flop is awful. If we've done this at random then it's a poor hand to choose; and if this is part of an overall strategy then we're probably running at something like 65/50. Which isn't likely to be optimal.

As played, I'd bet/call like $3 on the river.

i run about 23/18.5

[ ] hand worthy of discussion
[ ] folded pre
[x] should have folded pre

OP,

I don't understand your question--you have the 2nd nuts on the river, right? Tons of draws missed, tons of pairs out there, 2p possibilities...if this isn't an extremely easy value bet, not only should you not raise T2o PF (which you should never iso like this), you shouldn't raise T7s in this spot.

My advice is to isolate limpers with hands that are pretty decent, sc's, pairs, 2 cards 9 or higher. I would actually advise you in particular not to iso light much at all b/c your post flop game needs a lot of help--you pretty much played your hand as face up as possible. Check the flop when you missed, bet really strong on the turn with your str8, and you don't know what to do on the most obvious street of all.

In the theory of iso'ing bad players, you still need some equity when called, and even a guy who limp/folds 90% in your limited stat accumulation will play some pots with you. It is very wise to have some decent form of a hand for those times.

+1

hero pushed (less than pot) UTG called with Q9o... other had A5o...

So is this really a BBV thread? aka, hey look at me, I hit with my T2 and won a big pot!