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11-07-2011 , 05:14 PM

SaynotoKlaus

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Do you think i missed value here by not betting the river? I didn't know much about this guy had 14 hands vs him , his stats were 29/7/0.2 .
I didn't think he would call me with worse than TT , and if he had a flush draw or 888 there wasn't any point in betting .

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10984352

BTN: $4.15 (41.5 bb)
SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (MP): $13.07 (130.7 bb)
CO: $8.73 (87.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A

Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.54, CO calls $0.54

Turn: ($1.83) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, CO calls $1.30

River: ($4.43) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

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11-07-2011 , 05:21 PM

DaycareInferno

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yeah, you missed value. even with just 14 hands its obv he's a fish (not that i wouldnt bet here vs. a good player). give him a chance to make a dumb call.

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11-07-2011 , 05:21 PM

0equity

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against a non-fullstack (assumed to be bad) I'm betting here for value like 2/3rds pot or so.

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11-07-2011 , 06:07 PM

pokerbiker

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flop 0.70 - pot 2.15
turn 2.00 - pot 6.15
river AI for him

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11-08-2011 , 01:43 AM

mdroz247

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Pretty easy value bet spot

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11-08-2011 , 02:07 AM

insanepoker7

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Yes

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11-08-2011 , 02:22 AM

0equity

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stoved his likely river range for you.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

85 games 0.005 secs 17,000 games/sec

Board: Qd 8h 4h Td 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.588% 70.59% 00.00% 60 0.00 { AcQc }
Hand 1: 29.412% 29.41% 00.00% 25 0.00 { JJ, 99, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, A8s, KQs, KTs, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s, KQo, KTo, QJo, J9o+ }

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11-08-2011 , 05:03 AM

Dylanzesz

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easy v-bet on the river imo

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11-08-2011 , 05:27 AM

Chillypill

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bet more on flop and turn. river is debateable, but I dont think you go wrong with betting either vs some guys I might just check.

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11-08-2011 , 05:32 AM

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neok

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Checking isn't the worst since an aggro villain can bluff here a lot since a lot of draws missed, but it doesn't compensate for the times he checks back a hand you could have gotten value from.

Betting also gives you a 1337er red line, which is the most important thing in poker obv

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11-08-2011 , 07:29 AM

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bmwteam

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easy bet imo, check/raise river is not so bad if u assume he will bet his missed draws, but against this guy is definately a bet

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11-08-2011 , 07:37 AM

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wannabealive

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Really wish people wouldn't post spoilers, it's such a bad option in the new converter.

He has a fair bit behind even though he's ss, I don't hate the check but a small bet for thin value would also be a decent move. I prefer 1/3 the pot bet OTR, fold to jam then obv'.

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11-08-2011 , 10:01 AM

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neok

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Originally Posted by wannabealive

Small bet? Thin value? Why?

Make a decent sized bet for big fat value. Lol @ thin... Barrel more

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11-08-2011 , 10:41 AM

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wannabealive

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idk, what's he calling with v a big bet? not sure he's calling a decent size bet OTR.
Thin value prob' wrong term, but how often you get paid with 1/3 PSB v 2/3 PBS I'd prefer to go for 1/3.

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11-08-2011 , 11:09 AM

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eoin16

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you are missing value

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11-08-2011 , 12:19 PM

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RussianGuy

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You must bet on river because he could call with Qx, Tx.

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11-08-2011 , 02:13 PM

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verneer

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Lots of draws on the flop, all draws miss ... I think there is plenty of value in bluff-catching. I think you are being results-oriented.

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11-08-2011 , 04:32 PM

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SaynotoKlaus

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I wasn't sure he was a fish. I though maybe he's one of those passive players that don't call multiple streets with weak. If i was sure , i would have bet potsize each turn.

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