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12-18-2017 , 07:41 PM
1) Villain is 46/10/45 over 177 hands.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37901218

MP: $7.49 (74.9 bb)
Hero (CO): $9.40 (94 bb)
BTN: $10.87 (108.7 bb)
SB: $10.10 (101 bb)
BB: $8.29 (82.9 bb)
UTG: $25.14 (251.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 5 K 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BTN calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.20, BTN calls $1.20

River: ($4.15) T (2 players)
Hero bets $3, BTN raises to $6

Hero?


2) Villain is 28/17/45 over 70 hands.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37901219

BTN: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
SB: $24.10 (241 bb)
BB: $11.39 (113.9 bb)
UTG: $10.92 (109.2 bb)
MP: $7.20 (72 bb)
Hero (CO): $9.85 (98.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
UTG calls $0.10, MP folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN folds, SB calls $0.25, BB folds, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($1) 2 T Q (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.70, SB calls $0.70, UTG folds

Turn: ($2.40) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB raises to $4.50

Hero?
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12-18-2017 , 08:12 PM
i would call on the first hand. Its a min raise and if he turned a set so be it. I can only really see villain having a KT in this situation.

Probably call the second hand too, once a again if he flopped 2 pair, it sucks but it happens. Hes probably on a straight or flush draw and trying to take the pot right there and then. Just my opinion.
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12-18-2017 , 08:28 PM
1) $3 to call for $13 int he pot, folding would be ridiculous, so I assume you're thinking about shove? Well, we have like $1 behind so it doesn't really matter. As long as you don't fold it's fine. By giving him a extremely pessimistic ranges we have between 28% and 46% equity. If he can have some nonsensical minraises here, it's even better.

2) This one is a bit tougher. If we just call here we better have a plan on the river. I doubt the river is checked a lot... So if we call here and fold on a brick river we're just burning money.
Also, I make it much larger preflop after a limper.
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12-19-2017 , 02:11 AM
I think I'm calling both, but I'm more unsure about the first hand. Realistically we don't beat much, but I also think a 46/10 fish shows up with KT here a non-zero percent of the time and doesn't understand the strength of his hand. AA is kinda high in our range too, so I guess I'm okay with it.

Second hand seems more trivial on a board where there are a billion draws and villain has a super thin value range (QTs, 22? Maybe TT?).

Raise more PF in hand 2.
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12-19-2017 , 02:44 AM
Definitely calling 1st hand. Villain will have made two pair with the ten [K10] sometimes but given the price and the possibility of mis-played Kx hands I think it's still a call.
I don't think you can fold hand 2. Call and proceed with caution. I'm either check calling or check folding otr depending on what hits and villain's sizing.
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12-19-2017 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SharkytheFish
Definitely calling 1st hand. Villain will have made two pair with the ten [K10] sometimes but given the price and the possibility of mis-played Kx hands I think it's still a call.
Think you misread first hand, the board is paired. KT still loses.
(And I think that's a big part of his range)
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12-19-2017 , 09:35 AM
I would call in both hands. First hand you are agianst fish, they just do crazy stuff a lot, so giving the price you can't fold here. In second hand he will have a lot of draws and you are in position so it's gonna be easier spot on the river. Probably calling on any blank.
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12-19-2017 , 10:22 AM
Hand 1: I do not agree with those other guys. I'd fold hand 1, he is a bad passive player according to the stats. When those guys raise its rarely good enough to have a pair. I'd be suprised here if he doesn't show up with something like X5s, 44, TT or even KK sometimes. The only hand that I would give him in his raise range here that we beat is AK.


Hand 2: Think a shove would be fine. The only hands I'd be afraid of here is QT, TT and maybe sometimes 22. I'd shove and hope he has like Qx of spades, KJ or some other sort of flushdraw.
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12-19-2017 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmitjoo
Hand 1: I do not agree with those other guys. I'd fold hand 1, he is a bad passive player according to the stats. When those guys raise its rarely good enough to have a pair. I'd be suprised here if he doesn't show up with something like X5s, 44, TT or even KK sometimes. The only hand that I would give him in his raise range here that we beat is AK.
And that would be enough to made this call profitable.
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12-19-2017 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcinx15
And that would be enough to made this call profitable.
Really? Not really expecting him to raise it 100% of the time.
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12-19-2017 , 11:13 AM
And I don't expect him to just call KK and TT here pre 100%, especially KK. He has 0 combos of A5s, one combo of K5s, two combos of 65s, one combo of 54s. We are getting 3:13.15 odds so we need to be good here only 18.5%.
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12-19-2017 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcinx15
And I don't expect him to just call KK and TT here pre 100%, especially KK. He has 0 combos of A5s, one combo of K5s, two combos of 65s, one combo of 54s. We are getting 3:13.15 odds so we need to be good here only 18.5%.
There you are absolutely right. Thanks for pointing out my flaw thinking
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12-20-2017 , 04:13 AM
calling both, and 1st is easier cause fish can make it with KT. 2nd we have to call as well given the sizing, though I rarely see a fish playing draw this way.
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12-20-2017 , 09:49 PM
I cant see folding the first hand. Sure the fish could show up with a 5 but he could have alot of other hands alot more of the time. If we start assuming he could have every possible nut hand on every board, your going to be folding things like over pairs way too often.
Call, if hes bad enough to have a 5 here then so be it. Its going to be way more profitable in the long run.
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12-21-2017 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by IClickButtons
calling both, and 1st is easier cause fish can make it with KT. 2nd we have to call as well given the sizing, though I rarely see a fish playing draw this way.


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Originally Posted by JamesBJames
I think I'm calling both, but I'm more unsure about the first hand. Realistically we don't beat much, but I also think a 46/10 fish shows up with KT here a non-zero percent of the time and doesn't understand the strength of his hand. AA is kinda high in our range too, so I guess I'm okay with it.

Second hand seems more trivial on a board where there are a billion draws and villain has a super thin value range (QTs, 22? Maybe TT?).

Raise more PF in hand 2.


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Originally Posted by emibg
1) $3 to call for $13 int he pot, folding would be ridiculous, so I assume you're thinking about shove? Well, we have like $1 behind so it doesn't really matter. As long as you don't fold it's fine. By giving him a extremely pessimistic ranges we have between 28% and 46% equity. If he can have some nonsensical minraises here, it's even better.

2) This one is a bit tougher. If we just call here we better have a plan on the river. I doubt the river is checked a lot... So if we call here and fold on a brick river we're just burning money.
Also, I make it much larger preflop after a limper.
Is there any merit to check calling in the first hand?
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12-21-2017 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
Is there any merit to check calling in the first hand?
I think betting is superior cause some K can check behind otr and almost no hands (but 67s?) float flop and turn to bluff the river on such runout.
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12-21-2017 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
Is there any merit to check calling in the first hand?
The guy is a 46/10. He's gonna do a lot more calling than he does betting.
He can call with just about any king here, but he might find a check with the weaker ones.
With an overpair against a 46/10, I'm thinking value bet value bet value bet, not trying to be tricky.
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12-21-2017 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by emibg
I'm thinking value bet value bet value bet.
Yup 100% agree. We're not playing Phil Ivey here.
if it was a 5/10 NL then maybe we can reconsider the hand. but this case at these stakes with those stats. He shows up with the worse hand 4 out of 5 times.
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