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100NL: villain's line makes no sense 100NL: villain's line makes no sense

07-31-2010 , 06:51 PM
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): $264.30
BB: $151.20

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN/SB with A 9
Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.00) Q 7 A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB raises to $13, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($30.00) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20, BB raises to $55, Hero calls $35

River: ($140.00) K (2 players)
BB bets $81.20 all in

Villain steals 84%, VP BB is 33, 27% 3bet, fold to 3bet 65%. There's not much history that's relevant to this hand except the fact that I felt he might be getting frustrated. I was 3betting 45% because he didn't adjust, just kept opening 3x, flatting 3bets with the same range of hands and never 4bet bluffing. His checkraise was 29% over 192 hands.

His range on the flop is pretty much always a flush draw or a bluff, in some rare cases JT because I expect him to 3bet A7 and A8 always, 77 even. He also doesn't raise Ax hands on the flop.

What I am confused about is the turn checkraise. He knows I have an ace or a queen almost always, and when I bet I also have an ace that I am not folding, so checkraising with a flushdraw seems really dumb.

I have to be right 27% when he shoves the river, and I'm not really sure I have the equity once he leads turn instead of c/r, but when he does c/r the turn I think I have to call because the line is spazzy and makes no sense and I have the best hand a lot more often.
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07-31-2010 , 07:06 PM
why would you call the flop and the turn if his range is always a flush draw or bluff? If that is your line and you are c/c to let him bluff off his stack then it is an snap call on river. Your line is just as strange if you have that strong of a read on the guy.
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07-31-2010 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by icracknuts
why would you call the flop and the turn if his range is always a flush draw or bluff? If that is your line and you are c/c to let him bluff off his stack then it is an snap call on river. Your line is just as strange if you have that strong of a read on the guy.
Did you even look at the hand?

1) I'm in position. I can't c/c.
2) I'm not raising because a) I'm not sure he stacks off with a bare flush draw this deep. b) I don't want him to fold in case he is bluffing
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07-31-2010 , 07:19 PM
In other words, I would have shoved turn or laid the hand down. You both seem to be playing like maniacs so any two cards is possible. But if you call turn then you have to expect a river shove no matter what card comes. In that case, you have to be prepared to call no matter what card comes.

If his range is always a flush draw or bluff like you stated, then you also have to call the river. I don't see how you could fold the river given how you played the hand on previous streets according to your reads on the villain.
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07-31-2010 , 07:19 PM
I´d check back turn
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07-31-2010 , 07:26 PM
interesting. If he's getting super frustrated I'm probably just checking the turn anyway. For a few reasons, let him bluff the river, and control the size of the pot a bit with a marginal hand in a min raised pot. His range seems to be wideish from your reads anyway.

Definitely not trying to build a giant pot, but I understand you trying to not give a free card for his draws. Even still - once you get raised again, you have to realize you're probably going to be jammed on, on the river. You have to make your decision on the turn whether you're going to showdown or fold. Also saving you the additional 35bbs. Not sure somebody would have the bologna's to c/r bluff w/ air on 2 streets. And then jam the river though.
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07-31-2010 , 07:47 PM
chk back turn is fine
betting turn for thin value is also ok if u know his c-r range consists mostly draws
on the river i like folding... fd got there
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07-31-2010 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by WhateverSon
chk back turn is fine
betting turn for thin value is also ok if u know his c-r range consists mostly draws
on the river i like folding... fd got there
+1, although if I bet turn I would bet smaller
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08-03-2010 , 01:38 AM
Why are we ever checking back turn if according to our reads, he has a flush draw here a high percentage of the time?
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08-03-2010 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by invictus-1
Why are we ever checking back turn if according to our reads, he has a flush draw here a high percentage of the time?
if you're 100% certain villians range consists of only flushdraws u should be shoving turn anyway. this obv isnt the case...

so by checking back the turn u control the size of the pot as well as allow villian to spew bluff at missed draws and with air ect....if he checks river id put in a value bet...obviously folding to a CRAI

moral of the story is you dont decide his range is mostly flush draws and decide to bet the turn and then flat his small raise....get it in or check it back and see a river card
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08-03-2010 , 03:43 AM
I like betting the turn for value vs. all his draws. I chk behind river then.

Once he is c/r the flop AND turn i can definitly find a fold. Don't know if he is that spazy, that he would do that with a draw twice.
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08-03-2010 , 03:49 AM
Jam turn. Villain's range is soooooooo draw heavy especially if he is getting frustrated.
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