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10-20-2009 , 12:10 PM
joined table due to a fish with 200bb, who got stacked and left in under 20 hands. I had being playing 41/33 over 29 hands and had not yet 3bet. villain was playing 21/13 with 40% fold to 3bet over 190 hands.


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BB: $102.20
UTG: $100.00
MP: $100.00
CO: $144.00
BTN: $192.35
Hero (SB): $107.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with J J
1 fold, MP raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($7.00) 5 2 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

Turn: ($16.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $9.50, Hero raises to $30

Could you please list things that are wrong with this hand. I would like to create a list my self of the top 10 things

x

oh and BB was 16/12 over 600 hands
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10-20-2009 , 12:16 PM
Why raise the turn?
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10-20-2009 , 12:16 PM
3bet preflop and take the initiative...as played I probably just call turn and call basically any river bet. when you raise the turn you are representing an extremely narrow range
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10-20-2009 , 12:17 PM
I would probably 3bet this PF, we are ahead of his opening range and his 3bet calling range, especially if he 4bets QQ, but given the wide gap in his VPIP/PFR he is probably more on the passive side.

Flop flat is good because we keep his range wide etc.
After he barrels turn we can take complete air out of his range because that was a horrible turn card to barrel on.

I'm sure AcXc is barreling here, probably 65/54/43 and alot of overpairs namely 77+, so I think shoving is fine because we can expect to be called by 77-TT/AcXc/pair+FD/pair+GS/SD's here. I wouldn't flat it because we miss all the value from draws.
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10-20-2009 , 12:28 PM
3betting this hand pf makes it about 100x times easier to play since youare oop. and c/c 3 streets is ugly.

Flop is ugly cuase he bet small, shouldve asked him to bet more near pot.

maybe raise for protection?
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10-20-2009 , 12:32 PM
im donking flop and turn and probably river
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10-20-2009 , 05:27 PM
1. I think preflop is an obvious 3bet
2.
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10-20-2009 , 06:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by martin9_90
joined table due to a fish with 200bb, who got stacked and left in under 20 hands. I had being playing 41/33 over 29 hands and had not yet 3bet. villain was playing 21/13 with 40% fold to 3bet over 190 hands.


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $102.20
UTG: $100.00
MP: $100.00
CO: $144.00
BTN: $192.35
Hero (SB): $107.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with J J
1 fold, MP raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($7.00) 5 2 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

Turn: ($16.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $9.50, Hero raises to $30

Could you please list things that are wrong with this hand. I would like to create a list my self of the top 10 things

x

oh and BB was 16/12 over 600 hands
If you're raising without asking yourself 'What if villain goes on top of me?' Then the raise is probably wrong.
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10-20-2009 , 06:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by martin9_90
joined table due to a fish with 200bb, who got stacked and left in under 20 hands. I had being playing 41/33 over 29 hands and had not yet 3bet. villain was playing 21/13 with 40% fold to 3bet over 190 hands.


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $102.20
UTG: $100.00
MP: $100.00
CO: $144.00
BTN: $192.35
Hero (SB): $107.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with J J
1 fold, MP raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($7.00) 5 2 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

Turn: ($16.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $9.50, Hero raises to $30

Could you please list things that are wrong with this hand. I would like to create a list my self of the top 10 things

x

oh and BB was 16/12 over 600 hands
Call turn. See cheaper SD.
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10-20-2009 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by martin9_90
1. I think preflop is an obvious 3bet
2.
Actually yes, I agree.
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10-20-2009 , 06:38 PM
bet turn to >34. your raise is more 3x him than closer to being about potsize. youre still giving him room to donk out when he hits Overs+fd/gutter+fd.

youre giving him 1.71:1 which isnt bad for you w/ his overs or gutter+fd, but if hes calling 20.5 more hell call 25 more, more value there.


i also feel your small raise size lets you have more "FE" on the riv which you dont want since QQ+ is calling anyways so youre not folding out better. 35.5 gives the villian 5:2 on a call where 30 on the turn only gives 11:5, inducing a call more cuz he needs to be good less often w/ 99/TT


also the 2 pairing is good for you as it makes 77-TT seems stronger relatively in his mind.
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10-20-2009 , 07:10 PM
Actually, I don't hate your line on this board. Most tags/regs (I don't know about you, though) don't cold-call small pp's in the blinds, so you're repping a draw at most (possibly with a naked ace, possibly flush draw).
You could very well just c/r the flop because of the same reasoning. And I think that would be a bit better, because we don't risk a check-through on the turn and it looks cheaper.

But pf, I would 3bet JJ always here, especially with your image.
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10-20-2009 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by martin9_90
1. I think preflop is an obvious 3bet
2.
1. 3bet preflop. Value. Value. Value.
2. Raise flop. An ace and lower pairs aren't folding. Value.
3.
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10-20-2009 , 09:09 PM
Martin what the hell is going on with your threads lately?
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10-21-2009 , 01:40 AM
Nothing's changed

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10-21-2009 , 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Ksight3
Martin what the hell is going on with your threads lately?
its a teaching method
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10-21-2009 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by lifes3ps
its a teaching method
OICWUDT
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10-21-2009 , 05:19 AM
if you're not used to nl 100, leave when the fish leaves
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10-21-2009 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by lilaznboi
im donking flop and turn and probably river
yup and PF is obv fine
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10-21-2009 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Spenda
yup and PF is obv fine
Why is pf obv fine? I mean villain has a fold to 3b % of only 40% so this looks like an easy value-3b for me...
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10-21-2009 , 11:05 AM
I was raise/getting it in on the turn. (once i got there)
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10-21-2009 , 11:07 AM
bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

NOOOOOOOOOOO

I wouldnt do this.
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10-21-2009 , 11:12 AM
look if you're playing LAG and you think villains at table know this, I'd focus on lines that make my perceived handranges look ******ed rather than for value.

If villain is the type where: (omg wtf? he always still c/calls 99+ here! But maybe he thinks I look weak after turn cbetting 9.5/16... Ok do I have value..? yes/no? OK this line is better)

that usually requires a villain with laggier stats tho
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10-21-2009 , 11:15 AM
My argument would be that the line taken is an obvious value (stack a donk) line, however situationally this lines just looks ******ed given image/pre/flop play given my value range consists of v. rare sets and A2s.

so i agree with

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I'd focus on lines that make my perceived handranges look ******ed rather than for value.
however think that this does like '******ed'
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10-21-2009 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by aggo
If villain is the type where: (omg wtf? he always still c/calls 99+ here! But maybe he thinks I look weak after turn cbetting 9.5/16... Ok do I have value..? yes/no? OK this line is better)

that usually requires a villain with laggier stats tho
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Originally Posted by martin9_90

however think that this does like '******ed'
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