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01-16-2012 , 05:23 PM
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Reads: None. First few hands of match.

Do we bet the turn here? How much? What if he shoves on us? If he just calls, what rivers do we shove?
Or do we check-call? Or check-fold??

All my options suck being so short-stacked imo. Hate this spot.

$0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players

BTN: $101
Hero (BB): $97

Pre-Flop: J A dealt to Hero (BB)
BTN raises to $3, Hero raises to $10, BTN calls $7

Flop: ($20) 7 4 Q (2 Players)
Hero bets $13.50, BTN calls $13.50

Turn: ($47) 8 (2 Players)
Hero ????

Spoiler:
Hero bets $21.50, BTN raises to $77.50 and is All-In, Hero calls $52 and is All-In

River: ($194) K (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $194 Pot ($0.50 Rake)
BTN showed 6 5 and WON $193.50 (+$97 NET)
Hero showed J A and LOST (-$96 NET)
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01-16-2012 , 05:32 PM
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Bet again, Ch/F any river unless you hit your ace or a club.
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01-16-2012 , 06:03 PM
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bet smaller flop
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01-16-2012 , 06:12 PM
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The way you play postflop here is completely villain's tendencies dependent. Given that we have no reads, the way you've played it is just fine. Flop sizing is good, no need to bet 1/2+1bb, don't think he will often raise you there for you to ship.
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01-16-2012 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PureDiesel
The way you play postflop here is completely villain's tendencies dependent. Given that we have no reads, the way you've played it is just fine. Flop sizing is good, no need to bet 1/2+1bb, don't think he will often raise you there for you to ship.
I actually think that 10 is better than 13.5 for a couple of reasons.
First of all we got the perfect hand to ship it over a raise and I belive that people bluff more often if we bet halfpot rather than if we bet big.
With our hand I really don't mind him to call with as many hand as possible on the flop because on the turn I expect him to fold most hands that isn't top pair. With our hand we should bet turn unless we have some kind of read.
Therefore I want to keep his range as wide as possible on the turn.
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01-16-2012 , 07:13 PM
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I actually think that 10 is better than 13.5 for a couple of reasons.
First of all we got the perfect hand to ship it over a raise and I belive that people bluff more often if we bet halfpot rather than if we bet big.
With our hand I really don't mind him to call with as many hand as possible on the flop because on the turn I expect him to fold most hands that isn't top pair. With our hand we should bet turn unless we have some kind of read.
Therefore I want to keep his range as wide as possible on the turn.
+ the turnpotsize gets way more awkward IMO. its pretty tough to come up with a good turnsizing with our hand or our range here
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01-17-2012 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Fredron
I actually think that 10 is better than 13.5 for a couple of reasons.
First of all we got the perfect hand to ship it over a raise and I belive that people bluff more often if we bet halfpot rather than if we bet big.
With our hand I really don't mind him to call with as many hand as possible on the flop because on the turn I expect him to fold most hands that isn't top pair. With our hand we should bet turn unless we have some kind of read.
Therefore I want to keep his range as wide as possible on the turn.
Did you misread what I've said?

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Flop sizing is good, no need to bet 1/2+1bb, don't think he will often raise you there for you to ship.
Because NL100 guys rarely bluff-raise there. Also by betting slightly bigger i do NOT think his range is going to change much, he will still peel with whatever he would peel to smaller size, and with this sizing we trap more of cash out of his weak hands and barrelling big making him fold out most of it, also big sizing OTT allows us to bet/call off, so i don't get the point of "awkward" turn potsize. Also I want him to be in the mode of raising his queen hands OTF, not flatting it, so bigger sizing will help us to achieve what we want him to do.
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01-17-2012 , 08:35 AM
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look at what he had lol.. what do u guys think about my turn play?
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01-17-2012 , 12:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredron
I actually think that 10 is better than 13.5 for a couple of reasons.
First of all we got the perfect hand to ship it over a raise and I belive that people bluff more often if we bet halfpot rather than if we bet big.
With our hand I really don't mind him to call with as many hand as possible on the flop because on the turn I expect him to fold most hands that isn't top pair. With our hand we should bet turn unless we have some kind of read.
Therefore I want to keep his range as wide as possible on the turn.
Sounds like there is a decent argument for betting as low as 6 here IMO.
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01-19-2012 , 05:50 PM
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Definitely smaller OTF.
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01-19-2012 , 06:49 PM
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c/shoving turn
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01-19-2012 , 07:07 PM
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I don't like betting the turn tbh. What hands does he float to fold to a turn bet? Not many imo. On the other hand, I think a lot of hands call flop with the intention of calling the turn.

Check/shove could work vs players who bet wide here to protect, and I'd just c/f otherwise.
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01-19-2012 , 07:22 PM
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His flop call range contains a ton of floats that are just bare XcXx hands and he will be betting most of those on the turn when checked to. However, most guys are quite unbalanced here and do not bet a hand worse than top pair for value, meaning they are very air heavy when they actually bet. So if all of this seems reasonable to you it should be a pretty clear check jam. With a better read perhaps another line would become more optimal, but readless you should just go against what the average guy is going to do.
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01-19-2012 , 08:03 PM
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I wouldn't bet to checkfold river thats for sure.
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