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02-19-2009 , 06:54 PM
Hey I’m not at home right now so I’ll try to reconstruct these hands as accurately as possible.

Hand #1: 3bet sizing vs PFRer and 2 callers

First hand of the day. My HUD has not popped up yet and I do not recognize these 3 players at all. This is the first table I opened and it would have been about 25% players/flop in the lobby.

9 handed
UTG $100
UTG+1 $100
MP1 $50
Hero BB $100 A A

UTG raises to $5, UTG+1 calls $5, MP1 calls $5, 5 folds, Hero raises to $25?

Edit: disregard my description of pot sizes here lol. as Kurt pointed out. ty.

I’m really not sure what to do here for optimal bet sizing. My $25 3bet seems like it’s going to create an awkward SPR post flop, but I wasn’t sure if more like $30 would be too big of an overbet, and I thought a smaller 3bet of around $15-$20 might get a couple of callers especially if the PFRer calls.

If I get 1 caller, I will have $75 effective in a $40 pot. I assume I would have to go something like $30/$45 to get it in, which effectively makes the turn bet tiny in relation to the pot. I suppose if the board is dryish I could go $25/$50 to induce a few more calls maybe and make the turn bet a little less awkward.

If I get multiple callers, then I still have $75 effective against 2 of them and $25 effective against the ˝ stack and the pot will be $65 or $90. Then I would obviously just have to shove and pray that one of them doesn’t have a set?

Hand #2: omg my betpot script freezes my raise button, wtf?

CO and BTN are both spewy calling stations of the 35/3/ type. BB is a 17/14 that likes to squeeze from LP and the blinds. Rest of the table is kind of nitty.

9 handed
Hero UTG $115 K K
CO $100
BTN $70
BB $120

Hero bets $3, 4 folds, CO calls $3, BTN calls $3, 1 fold, BB raises to $16,

Hero’s betpot script does something weird and will not let me raise any more or less than $31 no matter what he types in the box or where he moves the slider,

so Hero raises to $31 cause he doesn’t want this to go MW, 2 folds, BB calls $15

Flop ($68.50 - $84 effective): 8 9 2
BB checks, Hero shoves? Bets $40 with plan to shove any turn?

Last edited by JH1; 02-19-2009 at 07:08 PM.
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02-19-2009 , 07:04 PM
Hand 1 its going to be $75 effective with $60 pot with one caller.

I'd effectively shove both flops, unless you wanted to get cagey and 1/2pot hand 2.
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02-19-2009 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by KurtSF
Hand 1 its going to be $75 effective with $60 pot with one caller.

I'd effectively shove both flops, unless you wanted to get cagey and 1/2pot hand 2.
ha yeah, just realized that and was going to edit lol.
brainfart. but $25 is fine then I suppose? I was really debating how much to 3bet here for a quite a while. But yeah postflop works out fine.

So yeah you think hand 2 is ok to shove too?
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02-19-2009 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JH1
ha yeah, just realized that and was going to edit lol.
brainfart. but $25 is fine then I suppose?

But yeah you think hand 2 is ok to shove too?
I'm fine with making it like 16-19 PF in hand 1. see a flop bust some fish. pray that UTG folds or raises? I dunno, will be totally gay if they all call but even if UTG calls you get some folds most of the time.
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02-19-2009 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JH1
ha yeah, just realized that and was going to edit lol.
brainfart. but $25 is fine then I suppose?

But yeah you think hand 2 is ok to shove too?
I shouldn't have posted so quick.

Hand 2 you can do many things. Honestly you could even check-shove, just don't fold. No matter what you do your range is AA, KK, AK, and no matter what you're relying on him finding some AK in your range to get value (small bet says "maybe I can still fold", shove says "I need to see more cards", check says "damn I'm done").
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02-19-2009 , 09:55 PM
yeah agree with you on never folding in hand 2.
it's just that my damn betpot totally messed me up.
- 125% PSB seemed huge to me; this could just be me getting used to 100NL sizing, maybe it's not as awkward as I imagine
- getting it in with 2 bets seemed super small to me, especially the turn
- ideally I would have liked to bet $38 there, only $7 more but it makes a huge difference imo wrt bet sizing on the flop
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02-20-2009 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by JH1
Hero’s betpot script does something weird and will not let me raise any more or less than $31 no matter what he types in the box or where he moves the slider,
This made me laugh a lot lol. I would've yelled at that script omg.
(P.S. I have nothing constructive to say about your hands, sorry)
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02-20-2009 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by YannickB85
This made me laugh a lot lol. I would've yelled at that script omg.
(P.S. I have nothing constructive to say about your hands, sorry)
lol i know. i tried minimizing and maximizing the window and everything i could and used 1/2 my time bank. It wanted me to put in a PSraise apparently. Fortunately it got it's act back together for the flop.
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02-20-2009 , 03:10 AM
Hand 2: I shove that immediately. If you bet 1/2 pot, get called and an awful turn card comes and he shoves himself, I am not 100% sure that you call. Don't put yourself in that spot.

Hand 1: 25$ looks perfect. With AA you want exactly one caller. If you bet less you may be find yourself in a multiway pot, if you bet more or even shove you may win the pot immediately but it is worse compared to that one player calls you.

Btw, posting NL100 in this forum is fine, I have done it, too. SSFR-forum there are a lot of awfuld repliers, who think that they are funny. I get better responses in this forum.
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