Villain solid reg, views me as same. Easy river shove?

5/10 6max 4 handed

Hero (BTN) $995.00
Villain (SB) $990.00

Hero is dealt: A7

1 fold, Hero raises to $35, Villain raises to $105, 1 fold, Hero calls $70

Flop ($220): T3A

Villain bets $150, Hero calls $150

Turn ($520): 6

Villain checks, Hero checks

River ($520): 9

Villain bets $260, Hero...

No, far from easy to bluff the rest of your chips.

lol i dont get his line with anything but w/e i guess u could shove but i dont think he's folding much he's valuebetting so u might as well call

edit: na prolly fold i dont think he bluffs much either

I think it's a pretty clear fold or call unless you have a good read. It's pretty tough for you to rep anything other then exactly A9 or a FD. (and FDs are discounted as you probably bet them somewhere) I think it's much more reasonable that he has a legitimate hand like AJ,A9,99,78 etc. although some of these hands probably bet the turn and holdings are reduced because of your hand. It's possible he folds some better hands if he is a nit or can't hand read but I think theres a reasonable chance he is value betting a worse Ax or a hand like KK which is why I like a call > shove.

villians line makes sense with a few monster/marginal hands for sure. pretty good spot to fold. not sure why are supposed to bet turn with a flush draw, villians almost never folding better.

I don't think it's mandatory to bet the turn with a FD but I think it's fine as there are a lot of hands that will fold or fold river and you are almost never getting c/r on this board.

I was thinking villain range is A9/AQ/AJ. I think he bets turn with any fd/AK, and with 99 and 78 he bets closer to $400 on river.

I think our perceived shoving range has villains range crushed here. Flush/A9/T9/99/78. And villain is defiantly the type who's able to fold a big hand when hes beat, ect.

If you think villain would keep betting AK+ on the turn for value, you'd surely take a stab with your FDs on the turn instead of taking the freecard? I think shoving looks too much like exactly what you're doing.

Meh, most regs are gonna think you're raising most flush draws on flop and will be bet/calling Ax.

Doesnt a shove look strong here? Is it bad I'm trying to get him to fold out AQ/AJ types of hands? Like I'm never shoving worse for value, and only thing he beats is a bluff.

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i wouldnt raise many of my FD's here, and I dont think its very standard to do so. Why do you think most regs think people raise FDs here?

exactly what I was thinking

depends on villain. I wouldn't shove because his value betting range is calling every time.

So you gotta think about how often hes capable of bluffing in such spots which should be somewhat frequently esp HU given that his line never looks like a bluff but a thin value bet.

how thin is he valuebetting on the river here. if it's not thin at all, i'd rather much call.
also, who is your avatar?

why would you pot control turn?

Yeah, but in his mind you could do it a certain % of the time, and you'd definatly bet turn with FDs a high % of the time. You look more like 2nd pair or weak ace than a FD and they all have a hard time calling the river, so it's a kinda obvious spot for you to turn something into a bluff. Though villain might bet/call KK if he thinks you bet Ax on the turn

I think with a shove you rep 99/A9/T9 more than a flush.

i like a shove here

Expecting villain to fold AQ/AJ is too optimistic because he's going to be aware that his hand looks weak and that you are presumably capable of doing this.

What is clear is that this river can't be described as "an easy shove"

I think this is something we can all agree upon. I think calling/folding/shoving are all very reasonable plays based the opponent.

TO SUMMARIZE:
Call: If opponent can value thin
Fold: If opponent will not fold AJ, AQ type hands
Shove: If opponent is a nit (possibly unable to hand read)


EDIT: btw calvin nice hand, it's rare I get too involved in the hand discussions these days Results?

wait what? what hand are we beating that he bets thin for value?

yeah its only okay if he bluffs but with this sizing i dont expect him to do that enough

Raising this flop with a nine high flush draw and getting shoved on sucks pretty hard. I prob wouldnt raise many of my flush draws here, because I would not want to call off my stack on some marginal EV spot I could have avoided by floating.

Also you probably dont raise many Ax hands in this spot so it looks pretty FOS too...

I guess I'm basically trying to get villain to fold out his AQ/AJ types of hands (which I think his range is heavily weighed on, is that ok to assume??), is that too thin? If the hand was reversed, does my line look full of sh*t or can I credibly rep flush/T9/A9/99?

Villain solid reg, views me as same.

5/10 6max 4 handed

Villain (BTN) $995.00
Hero (SB) $990.00

Hero is dealt: AJ/AQ

1 fold, Villain raises to $35, Hero raises to $105, 1 fold, Villain calls $70

Flop ($220): T3A

Hero bets $150, Villain calls $150

Turn ($520): 6

Hero checks, Villain checks

River ($520): 9

Hero bets $260, Villain bets all-in $740, Hero

I dont really see Villain value betting weaker aces than us or QQ/KK, and his bet sizing on river doesnt look like a bluff.

That said, anyone thinks call is spew??

Yeah I agree I think its completely standard for someone to to flat a flush draw on the flop and opt to take a free card on the turn.

fold and dont play it like that