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04-05-2010 , 05:31 PM

unidentity

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This is the second hand. Really no idea what to do on the turn after he raises. This seems like either 77 or 22 as I have no idea why QJ,KJ,AJ would ever make this play.

Full Tilt, $11 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds, 2 Players
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BTN: 1,515
Hero (BB): 1,485

Pre-Flop: (45) J

dealt to Hero (BB)
BTN raises to 60, Hero calls 30

Flop: (120) J

(2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 60, Hero raises to 180, BTN calls 120

Turn: (480) 4

(2 Players)
Hero bets 300, BTN raises to 1,275 and is All-In, Hero ??

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04-05-2010 , 05:33 PM

ICountOnLuck

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I would snap call this given how much money there's already in.

And of course QJ,KJ,AJ can be played exactly like this. Many people will CR this flop with total junk given that its unconnected, one high card and other cards less likely to have hit original raiser. Also with draws. Button calls and puts rest of his money in on turn to gain more equity and to maximize the pot if you were bluffing.

Last edited by ICountOnLuck; 04-05-2010 at 05:41 PM.

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04-05-2010 , 05:52 PM

unidentity

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Yeah I'm not saying they cant play QJ+ like this, it just seems unlikely as there is a SD and FD on the flop. Obv the 4 didn't help me (it did in reality but it doesn't look like it) if I am repping a draw or TP+ on flop.

Basically to me my line looks like only J7 or a draw but most draws aren't betting this turn so I am basically repping J7,72, 77, 22 and 72 is highly unlikely.

I'm guessing I forced myself into this spot by CRAI flop but I did that because of the draws.

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04-05-2010 , 05:55 PM

newluck2k

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With no read yet I would wanna donk bet the flop ~80. Is this wrong?

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04-05-2010 , 05:58 PM

ICountOnLuck

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What are you trying to achieve with the donkbet? I personally hate it, because if you are trying to get value, why not let him cbet, which he would probably do here huge % of the time. Unless you were donking to induce, to get more value that way, but that's a bad idea because your hand is very marginal imo. Some people will raise your donk with better hand, and their air, and you have no idea where you are at.

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04-05-2010 , 07:15 PM

newluck2k

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My initial reasoning was just that I don't think that cbet % is as big as you say here and we should try to get value out of it now. But nvm...c/r is much better. thx for the explanation.

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04-05-2010 , 10:12 PM

BarryLyndon

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Pretty sure I'm not RRing this early with J9cc, not sure you will be accomplishing much and then you wind up in this really difficult position where he can exploit you later on (which it looks like he did).

There is a % chance he's a spazz or whatever, but at the end of the day, I like to know what my %s are before juicing up a pot on this particular board with TPxK against an unknown.

As played, I may c/c the turn. Once again, leading here for 300, I question what you hope to accomplish. Yes, there may be some PPs in his range, but he could be setting up for a RRAI with a stronger hand or prepared to flat / flat with J higher kicker.

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04-05-2010 , 10:15 PM

BarryLyndon

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Originally Posted by newluck2k

With no read yet I would wanna donk bet the flop ~80. Is this wrong?

It's not the worst thing in the world HU because it can set stuff up for later, you'll take down the pot a good % of the time, etc. The minus is that it's very exploitable, and c/c is a more profitable.

When you flat J9ss this early, by the way, you're going to find yourself in a lot of difficult spots that you should play cautiously. I know it's "OMG, I have top pair," but if you think about it, you're edge is going to come with reads, not with top pair weak kicker.

Barry

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04-05-2010 , 10:35 PM

unidentity

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The reason I check-raised was to get draws to fold. I again bet large on the turn because I didn't want him to draw cheaply. I mean, I obviously read my villain incorrectly.

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