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09-17-2011 , 06:55 AM

Icanbeatadraw

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V is 11/5 AF of 1 over 72 hands, passive grandfather, likes to slowplay.

Flop cbet is standart, but what about turn. Basically c/f turn vs this type of guy, becouse Im getting raised by better hands or called down and worse hands just folds flop?

So should I just c/f turn, becouse I feel like burning money a lot lately.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG+1: $7.50
MP: $8.68
Hero (MP+1): $15.09
LP: $10.86
CO: $15.28
BTN: $6.47
SB: $10.43
BB: $13.01
UTG: $7.24

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, CO calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($1.30, 4 players) 4

SB checks, Hero bets $0.81, fold, BTN calls $0.81, fold

Turn: ($2.92, 2 players) 3

Hero bets $1.90, BTN raises to $3.80, fold

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09-17-2011 , 08:15 AM

S*mmy3k

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fold that. He always has us here, Beluga theory applies.

Just be pleased you have AQ, cus it's easier to fold than AK

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09-17-2011 , 08:29 AM

MartL

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Strange hand but yeah i think turn could be a check/fold. He is never calling with a worse hand. The only worse Ace in his range is going to be Ajs and thats thin. If he checks behind we bet the river to get calls off some of his hands like JJ etc.

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09-17-2011 , 08:48 AM

S*mmy3k

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Originally Posted by MartL

we can't check/fold imo man.

Too many vills will float us on A high flops and bet turn if we slow down.

bet/fold > check/fold surely?

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09-17-2011 , 09:47 AM

MartL

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Originally Posted by S*mmy3k

we can't check/fold imo man.

Too many vills will float us on A high flops and bet turn if we slow down.

bet/fold > check/fold surely?

Im not really worried about that in this case. What range does the villain call such a dry flop with? If we bet the turn we likely fold out every single hand in his range that we beat. So if he dosnt call with worse we cant bet for value and if he dosnt fold better theres no point turning our hand in to a bluff. A lot of villains arnt going to be betting say QQ here when we check so it gets checked through a lot of the time and we can bet the river for value.

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09-17-2011 , 10:39 AM

S*mmy3k

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Originally Posted by MartL

this is good logic. I guess if vills arnt going to exploit us we can play like this.

Just concerned that if we are check folding top pair good kicker on such a dry boards oppos can easilly float us and then bet whenever we slowdown on turn. They can only do this if they are paying attention ofc

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09-17-2011 , 12:36 PM

baohoa

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Originally Posted by MartL

this. 11/5 doesnt call a cbet and bet turn with anything we beat. turn bet cant be for value here and we are only picking up dead money if he folds his two outers or whatever

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09-17-2011 , 01:59 PM

Icanbeatadraw

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Originally Posted by baohoa

this. 11/5 doesnt call a cbet and bet turn with anything we beat. turn bet cant be for value here and we are only picking up dead money if he folds his two outers or whatever

Yea, I like this. Villain doesnt look like calling station-fish.

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09-18-2011 , 05:06 PM

pkr.pkr

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Originally Posted by baohoa

this. 11/5 doesnt call a cbet and bet turn with anything we beat. turn bet cant be for value here and we are only picking up dead money if he folds his two outers or whatever

You don't think that villain is capable of floating KK/QQ?

Perhaps he might be someone who doesn't let go of at least KK that easily? I could be wrong ...

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09-18-2011 , 05:24 PM

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baohoa

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KK unlikely in his range as he flatted pre.
you cbetted in a mw pot. Ax is really the bottom of your range here. he might peel on the flop with a worse pair sometimes but ott i exclude it.
betting turn on A board vs. this nit with this action is too thin with AQ imo.
sets, AQ+ are in his range. you can add one random combo of QQ that floats and bet for protection ott but meh, i am pretty happy to cf vs. this type of player. i feel like that this type of player doesnt even bet Ax ott if u check

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09-19-2011 , 06:55 AM

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pkr.pkr

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Originally Posted by baohoa

Yeah that makes sense. So in that case we should just check it down? I don't think we are getting any value if we bet the river.

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09-19-2011 , 07:12 AM

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AntonioQuina

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Check/fold sounds good against most Villains.

I'd bet/fold against a Villain who is known for floating + stealing it on the turn after I check. But those are usually less nitty and more aggressive than this Villain.

Either way, always fold after his raise.

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09-19-2011 , 07:27 AM

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enigmatic1x

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11-5 huh
he beats AJ when he calls flop.... you barely beat AJ.

it's really interesting that you think this is a standard cbet (for value i assume?). What is he calling that you beat exactly? are you betting to protect against 2/3 outers?

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09-19-2011 , 07:38 AM

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AntonioQuina

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I'm guessing he means for value. He has TP2K which stands to be the best hand at this point so he might as well put more money in the pot.

Villain could call the cbet with less than AJ because our flop bet looks like a cbet. It doesn't necessarily mean we have an A. He could call with a low/medium pair.

On the turn it does smell like a set.

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09-19-2011 , 08:04 AM

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HitmanHaydon

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C/F turn.

Villains not going to be floating a multiway flop here.

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09-19-2011 , 10:22 AM

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pkr.pkr

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What's his 3bet like? If it's 3% maybe we can discount KK/QQ from his range since he flatted. If this is the case, we should just C/F OTF since there's nothing we can get any value from.

If it's 1% then we can surely include QQ/JJ/AJ in his range. If this is the case, we can bet/check/bet.

However; what if the 6 or 4 was a diamond giving you TPA and a backdoor? Would you cbet OTF and OTT if another diamond falls?

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09-19-2011 , 10:24 AM

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Icanbeatadraw

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Originally Posted by enigmatic1x

Its standart value bet versus fish, who cant fold pairs.

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09-19-2011 , 12:31 PM

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baohoa

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Originally Posted by AntonioQuina

if u face a floaty villain u would better c/call imo and let him bluff

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09-19-2011 , 12:35 PM

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baohoa

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Originally Posted by pkr.pkr

Yeah that makes sense. So in that case we should just check it down? I don't think we are getting any value if we bet the river.

if turn goes checkd u can put a small bet otr imo, this villain is not bluff raising
and we could get some value by a second pair or AJs

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09-19-2011 , 12:36 PM

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baohoa

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Originally Posted by pkr.pkr

What's his 3bet like? If it's 3% maybe we can discount KK/QQ from his range since he flatted. If this is the case, we should just C/F OTF since there's nothing we can get any value from.

it is a mw pot we can take value from other players as well imo

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