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10 NL - Advice on the turn... 10 NL - Advice on the turn...

02-19-2009 , 11:22 PM
I am running 28/11/2 over a small session of 93 hands. My villian is 25/8/1 over 54 hands.


Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (MP): $10.70 (107 bb)
CO: $13.05 (130.5 bb)
BTN: $6.85 (68.5 bb)
SB: $12.30 (123 bb)
BB: $6.55 (65.5 bb)
UTG: $11.55 (115.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP with Kc Qd
UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, CO calls $0.40, 2 folds, BB calls $0.30, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.65) 6h Kh 8c (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.30, CO calls $1.30, BB folds, UTG folds

Turn: ($4.25) 3c (2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO raises to $6.40, Hero ____

I do believe I know the right answer to my question, however i just wanted to re-assure my thought process with others.

The fact that I am oop going to the turn is not very desirable we know, however based on the pre and post flop action, the board on the turn appears very safe, so I decide to lead out. My CO floater decides to pop me for a min-raise and I immediately feel I am beat.

Is this an easy fold? Am I leaving too much value on the table at this point?

Based on his limited data, what possible range can I put him on at this point? 66, 88, AK? At 10 NL I don't see that kind of trickery coming into play very often, especially on a draw heavy board.......

thoughts....

Last edited by drawflush; 02-19-2009 at 11:27 PM.
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02-19-2009 , 11:33 PM
Check turn or bet less pot control this hand, as played fold.

Your bet sizing is making it possible to shove river, which is great if you have a set...but here you're bloating the pot so much.
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02-19-2009 , 11:36 PM
No likely straight draw. The flush draw would presumably have raised you the flop. He seems passive so he probably doesn't raise fllush draws anyway (big assumption there). I sort of doubt he is doing this to the pfr with less than TPTK...the min raise indicates he wants you to stick around.........During games I call these but it's a leak I think.....folding is best.
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02-19-2009 , 11:40 PM
bet more on flop, bet less on turn, if he raises yr dead, if he calls, reevaluate river
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02-19-2009 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mOeeOm
Check turn or bet less pot control this hand, as played fold.

Your bet sizing is making it possible to shove river, which is great if you have a set...but here you're bloating the pot so much.
OP is OOP, oops! No pot control there I'm afraid. Say OP checks turn and villain bets $3 or $4 - how is this controlling the pot? We c/c this and then c/c a river shove?

The hand was played perfectly fine, and against this villain I just fold when he gay raises.

BTW OP, I hope you don't use that avatar on Stars. It would tilt the fk outta me!
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02-19-2009 , 11:55 PM
Yeah, I don't think I'm a big fan of checking this turn based on my villans passive play. I tend to agree with Thappers in that really it is not pot control. Your just putting yourself in a more difficult situation and not gaining any information.

I think also, if we bet too shallow here we are giving him attractive drawing odds if he is a fish.


P.s my avatar is a donkey
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02-19-2009 , 11:58 PM
Check OR bet less on turn. What you bet is bad.

"Check turn or bet less pot control this hand, as played fold."
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02-20-2009 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mOeeOm
Check OR bet less on turn. What you bet is bad.

"Check turn or bet less pot control this hand, as played fold."
Check turn? No, that's terrible.

Bet less? But bet what? $2? $1.5? If you regularly think you are 'pot controlling' by betting small OOP with what is effectively the nuts on this board, then you are losing so much value long-term it's not even funny.
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02-20-2009 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Thappers
Check turn? No, that's terrible.

Bet less? But bet what? $2? $1.5? If you regularly think you are 'pot controlling' by betting small OOP with what is effectively the nuts on this board, then you are losing so much value long-term it's not even funny.
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02-20-2009 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mOeeOm
Just sayin'!
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02-20-2009 , 01:03 AM
yah, let say u jam on the flop, he might be calling with a draw some of the time as well,
therefore betting turn to a point where his call is unprofitable due to implied odds is good, maybe he'll fold those hands, so u get some info by narrowing his range. If u check, u give him a free card against his drawing range.
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