Poker Stars $11.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t1180 M = 26.22
BTN/SB: t1820 M = 40.44

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with T J
BTN/SB raises to t90, Hero calls t60

Flop: (t180) 4 8 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t90, Hero raises to t240, BTN/SB calls t150

Turn: (t660) T (2 players)
Hero bets t540, BTN/SB calls t540

River: (t1740) Q (2 players)
Hero bets t310 all in, BTN/SB calls t310

He seemed pretty good, did call a bit too much oop or he had just been running hot with cards. Also never wanted to fold on dry flops, would call with K high etc.


c-raised me sometimes, cbet alot of flops.
Pre this is my bottom range of calling oop.

Thought I would make a move aswell, thought any 8x would come over the top and 4x should be folding.

Is this board too drawy to c-raise on?
Well spiked my 10 and didnt rly knew if I was valuebetting the turn or not...what is his callrange there? Got no idea.

Spew?

I dont think hes ever folding a 4 here.

I would probably crai on turn.

Pre flop:
I'm not sure whether or not I would have called but you can make a point for doing so.

Flop:
That board usually doesn't his neither your nor his range well. His cbet seems very weak but so does your c/r due to the fact that he probably thinks that you aren't calling with alot of hands that could have hit that board pre flop. I think he's gonna call that bet with alot of mediocre hands.

Turn:
I think I'd just shove on that turn because his range of calling that flop bet is pretty big and he probably doesn't have your hand beat.

Personally I fold preflop and call/3 bet with JTs, depending on opponent and blind level.

If Villain is calling bets like this lightly, I probably wouldn't reraise the flop C-bet as an absolute bluff and would just wait for a legitimate hand to do this with.

I think the turn is very opponent dependent. If your opponent will likely check down, I think shoving the turn is your best option. If they will fire again, they check-shove for value.

I still like folding preflop, but that's just me.

people fold JT preflop? lol
either im deep enough to play postflop or shallow enough to get it in i guess... (with the rare exception of me minraising button and villain shoving for like 17bb's or something)

I used to fold it to 3x raises, but have since cleaned up that leak.


I check/fold the flop. I realize it's hard for villain to have hit the flop, but he might have at least A high or a FD, whereas we're making a stone cold bluff in a spot where it's just as hard for us to have hit. We're also OOP if the hand continues.

As played I check the turn. At this point villain's range leans strongly toward either 8x or a FD that is not going to give you value.

After reading this thread and the Q9o thread, this is definitely a spot in my game that I am going to look at. Thanks for the posts spamz0r.

I was rly wondering about that point too. (That it didnt hit both our ranges)

I dont know if villain realises this but my calling range OOP almost doesnt include a 8 except 89s or 78s. So I'm repping those 2 hands + flushdraws.

Then again villain also doesnt rep that much since the guy cbetted like 80-90% of the flops since I didnt check-raise him yet.

Guess its also part of me that just says "Sigh I know this trick with cbetting alot in position, I do it too..." and since it doesnt hit his range that hard(but neither does mine, but I can still rep a flushdraw like I said above) , and I wasnt check-raising him before so I thought I would get some respect and I said to myself "Lets go for it".

What do you do in these situations, or not much you can do? Since alot of situations its basicaly air vs air when you raise a cbet, but just staying passive going in the callmode and them being able to control the betting frequencies sucks too heh.

Just throw the hand away if you don't have much invested in the pot. You're OOP, so acknowledge that disadvantage and accept what is potentially a small mistake to avoid making a big one.