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10$ hu sng 3bet pot vs a reg 10$ hu sng 3bet pot vs a reg

07-14-2009 , 09:59 AM
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SB (t1510)
Hero (BB) (t1490)

Hero's M: 33.11

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
SB bets t90, Hero raises to t240, SB calls t150

Flop: (t480) 10, 9, 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t480, Hero raises to t1250 (All-In)

Total pot: t1440

villain is a very aggressive and good player. This is the 1st 3 bet pot. Is check/push flop the best line here? And what if he just shoves flop, then it'll be easy call as he is unlikely to hit flop and just doesn't want me to call?
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07-14-2009 , 10:25 AM
3bet more, and ship it then yea
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07-14-2009 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by critical222
3bet more, and ship it then yea

to 3bet something like 350-400?
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07-14-2009 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by manefon
to 3bet something like 350-400?
I think 300-320 is fine.
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07-14-2009 , 11:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by critical222
3bet more, and ship it then yea
How to overplay AK OOP imo
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07-14-2009 , 11:08 AM
I may be a nit but I don't shove this flop. I just let this one go when we miss.
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07-14-2009 , 11:24 AM
I just think you need more reasons to shove here, they have shown strength pre flop and on the flop, and we have A high, unless they are bluffing we are going to get called and lose a 1490 stack with still small blinds.

I'd only be shoving here if:

1. the blinds were larger i.e. 100/50
2. the stack ratio was smaller i.e. -750
3. our opponent was to some degree.. a maniac
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07-14-2009 , 11:42 AM
10, 9, any pocket pair are all calling here almost certainly. Ax may be calling although I doubt it. As played, personally I prefer a lead out on the flop and then fold to aggression, definitely not a fan of check shoving this spot.
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07-14-2009 , 11:50 AM
b/f or c/f. i usually b/f

anything else here is eh at best
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07-14-2009 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Lamdun
b/f or c/f. i usually b/f
Is b/f really the best option aggainst an aggro? I think that he can so easily ship this flop as a bluff/ w some draws. On the other hand being passive in 3bet pots is not a good idea.

Is there an opp aggainst whom you won't b/f. Why?

Those questions may be stupid but once in a while I have so many problems playing 3bet pots. Thanks anyways
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07-14-2009 , 02:57 PM
SB (t1510)
Hero (BB) (t1490)

Hero's M: 33.11

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
SB bets t90, Hero raises to t240, SB calls t150

Flop: (t480) 10, 9, 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t480, Hero raises to t1250 (All-In)

Total pot: t1440
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Both the c/r shove & the villains PSB on the flop smell of A-high or something similar here!
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07-14-2009 , 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBonBons
SB (t1510)
Hero (BB) (t1490)

Hero's M: 33.11

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
SB bets t90, Hero raises to t240, SB calls t150

Flop: (t480) 10, 9, 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t480, Hero raises to t1250 (All-In)

Total pot: t1440
Both the c/r shove & the villains PSB on the flop smell of A-high or something similar here![/QUOTE]

Similar = 10 J or pp
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07-14-2009 , 03:55 PM
I think pf 3-bet sizing is kind of flexible: you can go anywhere from 225 to 300, depending on how often you're 3-betting, how you think villain's calling range might alter based on your sizing, and how much or little room for post-flop play you would like to create.

I've been told that we should just make our 3-bets as big as possible and take it from there (especially when we're mostly 3-betting for value, I presume), but I'm still not convinced, so I don't mind your sizing.

I think all the options on this flop are pretty close. My concern with c-betting is that nothing better folds (maybe 22-55? nah), and we get shoved on by draws. Perhaps it makes the hand 'easier to play' if we c-bet/fold (or c-bet/call, if we're nathan) -- but check/evaluating is very tempting. And when he pots it, again, it's so hard not to ship there.

I probably play it the same then post it here and ask for a better line. Then get told to c-bet/fold. Or check/fold. I'll never figure out 3-bet poker. Ever.
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07-14-2009 , 11:31 PM
the problem is that villain has 2.87:1 to call.
wich means that villain makes money in the long term if he calls and has 7 outs (he only needs 2.6:1 to call with 7 outs). wich means if he calls our shove with a gutshot he makes money. (and this is a flop that connects with most 3bet calling ranges).

and i don't expect a good aggressive player to bet/fold pot size here, on a paired board he knows he's not going to get a lot credit. imo there's a good chance he's doing it with a good hand or good draw.

i fold.

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i think i prefer cbetting (smaller) and calling a shove, i'm expecting an aggr. villain to shove with a weak draw or worse ace a lot. especially if we have a good image and he thinks we're likely to fold.

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you could also 3bet to 300 and open shove for a 2:1 overbet. if he folds 2 times out of 3 or more (wich he will) you make money even with zero equity... + with AK you've good equity even if you get called...
this line works best if you have a tight image.
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07-15-2009 , 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Lamdun
b/f or c/f. i usually b/f

anything else here is eh at best
this
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07-15-2009 , 07:51 AM
bet fold seems like the best option but I honestly don't think your line is that far behind. At these stakes you do got some fold equity here at times.
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