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($10+.5) 33 Facing Short Stacked Shove From Tilting Push Monkey?

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04-26-2008 , 02:13 PM

I.M. Baked

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BB (t720)
Hero (t2280)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 3

, 3

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Hero calls t10, BB raises to t720, Hero?

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04-26-2008 , 02:19 PM

RyanJM

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fold. why not wait for a hand that has a chance of having him dominated or 60/40?

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04-26-2008 , 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanJM

fold. why not wait for a hand that has a chance of having him dominated or 60/40?

so where is your cutoff point? 66,77,88?

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04-26-2008 , 02:45 PM

Kalledrengen

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"Short stacked".. really? We are talking 36xbb here. In a SNG that's not really short stacked imo but I guess definition is different from person to person ^^

I fold here most of the time. 36xbb with 33 is just too much as you are never more than like 55% favorite at best.
I could see myself calling on very rare occasions against a villain who had shoved his last 5-10 hands ect.

You should write whatever read you may have. In HU everything is "depends" and it's just tough to answer if you post hands without any reads to them.

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04-26-2008 , 03:17 PM

RyanJM

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Originally Posted by I.M. Baked

so where is your cutoff point? 66,77,88?

I would probably call with 77 or better. That brings in a chance of him having Ax or a smaller pair.

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04-27-2008 , 09:13 AM

SanderJonez

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calling with 33 is not a winning play. see the problem with calling is yes, you're ahead by a small % but u don't have to take this gamble and the momentum of the match can easily change. if u take this flip and the villain wins, he's gonna go into hyper aggro mode which can be a challenging style to play against. fold here and keep waiting, u dont want the momentum of the match to change. my cutoff point would be 88 +. so just wait for a much better spot, the blinds are tiny..
keywords: momentum, patience, much harder to play villain after he wins race(confidence boost or w/e it is)

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04-27-2008 , 02:26 PM

skates

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I call

. I'd call 22 as well.

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04-29-2008 , 06:18 AM

Flav

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Originally Posted by skates

I call

. I'd call 22 as well.

what is your reasoning behind this?
just to try and finish the match quickly?
You will be 50/50 at best and if your opponent wins you will be back to square one.

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04-29-2008 , 07:03 AM

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Why do you think he is tilting?

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Originally Posted by skates

I call

. I'd call 22 as well.

I think this is bad. If he is tilting, its even worse. You are essentially 50% v a random hand here. I think we can find a better spot v a tilting opponent.

You also have to include the psychological impact of losing a flip here or worse being dominated, to start over with no momentum.

I am calling with 55+ here. Its 60% v a random and has good equity v an Ax hand (57%) which he probably has. In my experience, he isn't pushing a random here (unless this is like the 3rd push in a row). Its more likely a good hand hoping to get looked up light.

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04-29-2008 , 07:06 AM

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Question for skates:

How big does villains stack need to be before you fold 22?

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