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11-11-2007 , 07:50 PM

Praetor

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Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $20.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP ($1980.00)
CO ($2077.00)
Hero ($3356.71)
SB ($1930.00)
BB ($2034.00)
UTG ($4503.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, Q

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2 folds, CO raises to $80, Hero raises to $270, 2 folds, CO calls $190.

Flop: ($570) 7

, J

, 3

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($570) A

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $450, CO raises to $1807 (All-In)
HEro?

Villain is 32/12/1.59 over 600 hands. only note is a hand where he 3 bet my tug in blinds, i 4 bet AK. he called and open shoves j73 all clubs, i had to fold

given i checked flop, check back turn also?

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11-11-2007 , 07:58 PM

Teh1337zor

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yuck pretty gross spot I think I fold

I also like checking back turn bc betting the turn does not get value from many hands where I feel like a river bet better extracts from the hands we beat, also you don't have that many cards to worry about so betting to protect your hand really isnt an issue.

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11-11-2007 , 08:13 PM

Unknown Soldier

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yeah i like a turn check

as played, bleh i think i call. specific reads/game flow would sway me either way

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11-11-2007 , 08:37 PM

d2themfi

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hmm I feel like checking the turn is being a bit results oriented, cause this guys stats seem to indicate he is a bit of a station. I think it is an easy turn fold tho

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11-11-2007 , 08:40 PM

KingGordy

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Fold. 30/10's almost never do this with draws. I think your play up to the turn is good.

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11-11-2007 , 08:41 PM

Teh1337zor

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hes not calling 2 bets with any hand we beat, so checking turn allows us to

A. Disguise our hand
B. let him bluff river w/. hands he would not calla bet w/
C. Get value from more hands on river (imo)

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11-11-2007 , 08:42 PM

MDMA

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Eh, SNAPCALL.

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11-11-2007 , 08:44 PM

Praetor

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stats were wrong in OP, he is 30/21 not 30/12, oops

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11-11-2007 , 09:07 PM

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11-11-2007 , 09:09 PM

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skier_5

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lol@ checking the turn. dont be results oriented, which may not even be the case since we are certainly good here a ton.

i'd call the raise too, but i wouldnt be all that happy about it.

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11-11-2007 , 09:11 PM

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FionnMac

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lol@ checking the turn. dont be results oriented, which may not even be the case since we are certainly good here a ton.

i'd call the raise too, but i wouldnt be all that happy about it.

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11-11-2007 , 09:14 PM

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Marwan

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those who are calling the turn, what do you put villain on?

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11-11-2007 , 09:16 PM

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FionnMac

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hes not calling 2 bets with any hand we beat, so checking turn allows us to

A. Disguise our hand

but this doesn't disguise our hand, it tells our opponent we have a decent made hand (i.e one pair), we'd bet this card all day with air.

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11-11-2007 , 10:19 PM

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Teh1337zor

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hes not calling 2 bets with any hand we beat, so checking turn allows us to

A. Disguise our hand

but this doesn't disguise our hand, it tells our opponent we have a decent made hand (i.e one pair), we'd bet this card all day with air.

ah you're right

but dont the other 2 factors make checking and betting pretty close?

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11-11-2007 , 10:45 PM

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ddubois

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Eh, SNAPCALL.

Really? I wouldn't expect to try to bluff us off our "obvious AK", so I assume this is for value.

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11-11-2007 , 10:48 PM

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yve

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lol@ checking the turn. dont be results oriented, which may not even be the case since we are certainly good here a ton.

i'd call the raise too, but i wouldnt be all that happy about it.

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11-11-2007 , 10:50 PM

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catcher193

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lol@ checking the turn. dont be results oriented, which may not even be the case since we are certainly good here a ton.

i'd call the raise too, but i wouldnt be all that happy about it.

disagree, this is one of the very few spots where I feel fine with a B/F for value.

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11-11-2007 , 11:29 PM

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d2themfi

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hmm im thinking this is a call actually if the villain is more aggro at 32/21

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11-11-2007 , 11:35 PM

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nuggetz87

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lol@ checking the turn. dont be results oriented, which may not even be the case since we are certainly good here a ton.

i'd call the raise too, but i wouldnt be all that happy about it.

disagree, this is one of the very few spots where I feel fine with a B/F for value.

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11-12-2007 , 12:52 AM

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annex21

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i dont like the flop check but given that I would say check back turn as well.

as played I think it's clear you hit your ace and so it's a fold seeing as his AF isn't high and from the game flow he's not expecting you to fold an A after he pushed you out of that 4bet pot earlier.

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11-12-2007 , 01:15 AM

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highstakesfish

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fold!! what are guys who are calling the turn putting villian on??

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11-12-2007 , 08:02 AM

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jfish

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definitely bet turn. i call here.

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11-12-2007 , 08:04 AM

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Morrek

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definitely bet turn. i call here.

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11-12-2007 , 08:08 AM

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DND

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I like b/f on the turn

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11-12-2007 , 08:11 AM

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FionnMac

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definitely bet turn. i call here.

yeh not quite a snap call, but i think we have to call here, we even beat some of his value-raising range.

btw we've gotta try and cut down on these results orientated threads where ppl say check turn etc because we got c/r and put in a tough spot, i've noticed quite a few similar recently.

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