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02-17-2011 , 09:15 PM
I thought this was an interesting, but short hand. Villain was 29.29.100 over 21 hands (3bet% of 17%). I'd seen him win a small pot and when it went to showdown he had TPGK and seemed a straightforward player. I thought calling a 3bet in this situation wasn't too bad because he had almost 100bb stack and I thought folding was too weak, but maybe I'm wrong here. As the flop was pretty dry what do you think is best postflop or preflop? Thanks

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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MP: $9.53
Hero (CO): $5.10
BTN: $5.04
SB: $5.32
BB: $5.41
UTG: $2.08

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with T T
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.80, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.67) J J 8 (2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero folds

Last edited by tozerhead; 02-17-2011 at 09:16 PM. Reason: added info
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02-17-2011 , 09:28 PM
This is not a bad flop for our hand, and we have position on villain who seems a little 3bet happy. I would see another card unless you are just set mining.
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02-17-2011 , 09:31 PM
I would flat and be happy to jam a blank turn if villian double barrels.
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02-17-2011 , 10:03 PM
How about a fold pflop? too weak?
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02-17-2011 , 10:16 PM
I don't like folding pre, because AK and AQ are in his range. Also, villain has been 3 betting quite a bit so he could also have worse.

I would call the flop and re eval turn.
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02-17-2011 , 10:30 PM
I like folding pre because we know nothing about villain except he's 3bet once or twice.

Folding isn't weak. You don't have odds to setmine and you'll be playing a complete guessing game on every board without a ten when villain bets.
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02-17-2011 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by vikingkong
I like folding pre because we know nothing about villain except he's 3bet once or twice.

Folding isn't weak. You don't have odds to setmine and you'll be playing a complete guessing game on every board without a ten when villain bets.
I think folding pre is better now looking back, because like you said, I have very little info on the villain. What odds to i need to setmine? ty
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02-17-2011 , 10:59 PM
Any pocket pair he will bet here even as low as 99 77-22 and bet aq AK etc. I would call and see if there's any further aggression. Then decide.
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02-17-2011 , 11:20 PM
I would fold pre if Villian had only 3bet a few times. I don't like to play fit-or-fold in 3bet pots, we're just leaking money and Villian will run over us.
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02-17-2011 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by FTSITTTD
I would flat and be happy to jam a blank turn if villian double barrels.
I don't know about this. Nothing worse than TT is ever calling a turn jam. We basically try to rep Jx and get QQ+ to fold.

Not sure if re-eval turn is a great idea either. I expect to get double barreled like 100% of the time here. What do we when he bets $2.50 OTT after a deuce rolls off? Does anyone like a flop raise to take away the initiative? I guess it really depends how often he barrels with air. Maybe I'm being results oriented, but I just feel like everytime I try to re-eval the turn with a marginal hand I face a big bet. Is that really a profitable line or should we be looking to exit earlier or play the hand more aggressively so we can fold with a bit more confidence?
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02-17-2011 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Koss
I don't know about this. Nothing worse than TT is ever calling a turn jam. We basically try to rep Jx and get QQ+ to fold.

Not sure if re-eval turn is a great idea either. I expect to get double barreled like 100% of the time here. What do we when he bets $2.50 OTT after a deuce rolls off? Does anyone like a flop raise to take away the initiative? I guess it really depends how often he barrels with air. Maybe I'm being results oriented, but I just feel like everytime I try to re-eval the turn with a marginal hand I face a big bet. Is that really a profitable line or should we be looking to exit earlier or play the hand more aggressively so we can fold with a bit more confidence?
Koss, when I read this thread, my first thought was to raise the flop. But given stack sizes and the pot size, we have to call a shove.
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02-17-2011 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FTSITTTD
I would flat and be happy to jam a blank turn if villian double barrels.
This.. Kinda depends on villain's stats
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02-18-2011 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by tozerhead
What odds to i need to setmine?
I believe 7.5-1, but assuming villain is 3 betting with a wider range than KK-AA, say JJ+/AKo, we aren't stacking off nearly enough to make it a profitable call preflop, so I would fold preflop. It's a thin call at best, and you get yourself into difficult spots such as these where, even on a decent flop for our hand, we have no idea where we stand.
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02-18-2011 , 12:05 AM
double

Last edited by kbinferno; 02-18-2011 at 12:17 AM.
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02-18-2011 , 12:09 AM
also rule of thumb is if effective stack 20x the bet it's fine to mine.
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