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02-24-2018 , 05:00 PM
I'm really struggling right now. Making the wrong decision constantly so I am taking a hard look at my sessions. I seem like I am getting everything backwards.

We are 5 handed. Villain is loose passive 38/10/1.0 over a small sample of 41 hands. WTSD 46, W$SD 50.

Pre seems standard, Flop seems like an easy c-bet, but I am not sure if I should be checking more against this type of player. His call really doesn't narrow his range all that much.

On the turn I decide to fire a second barrel as I might be able to fold out his Ax hands and/or get some value out of his FD's like J9s, 78s etc. my plan is to b/f against someone this passive.

On the river I really want to fire a 3rd bullet since every draw has missed, but it could be lighting money on fire against someone who seems so showdown bound.

Thoughts on all streets?


[converted_hand][hand_history]WPN, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $13.88 (138.8 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (MP): $10.24 (102.4 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $24.72 (247.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q J
Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 6 4 T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.31, BB calls $0.31

Turn: ($1.27) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.90, BB calls $0.90

River: ($3.07) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ?
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02-25-2018 , 01:02 AM
I'd pry x turn and bluff riv with this combo. Prefer to have the qj block TX suited combos for riv bluff.

Riv bluff depends on whether or not he ever calls worse than tx. If yes don't bluff if no should be ok triple still. Given weak passive read prefer give up

Looking at any river stats over 41 hands is pry a leak tho.
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02-25-2018 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by antneye
I'm really struggling right now. Making the wrong decision constantly so I am taking a hard look at my sessions. I seem like I am getting everything backwards.

We are 5 handed. Villain is loose passive 38/10/1.0 over a small sample of 41 hands. WTSD 46, W$SD 50.

Pre seems standard, Flop seems like an easy c-bet, but I am not sure if I should be checking more against this type of player. His call really doesn't narrow his range all that much.

On the turn I decide to fire a second barrel as I might be able to fold out his Ax hands and/or get some value out of his FD's like J9s, 78s etc. my plan is to b/f against someone this passive.

On the river I really want to fire a 3rd bullet since every draw has missed, but it could be lighting money on fire against someone who seems so showdown bound.

Thoughts on all streets?


[converted_hand][hand_history]WPN, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $13.88 (138.8 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (MP): $10.24 (102.4 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $24.72 (247.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q J
Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 6 4 T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.31, BB calls $0.31

Turn: ($1.27) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.90, BB calls $0.90

River: ($3.07) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ?
I think check flop on some frequency and when not checking flop check turn almost 100% on this runout. Expect BB to have a few 6's and for him to not fold alot of them, not discounting all the TX he has. Having a Q and a J is really not relevant in terms of blocker for a BB defending range. T9s and T9o, T8s, T7s are all combos that will be quite frequent.

Lets put ourselves in BB shoes with a 6 like 6Qs, 6Ks. Are you folding to a 3barrel? Its a perfect call, call and call imo... On top of all the TX that he has in his range that calls, calls, and call / re-raise you. Also if I ever call with 9J of diamonds on flop/turn instead of X-raising, I am jamming river. Thats alot of bad things that can happen to our bluff.

Gota give up some spots...

If we were in the BTN 3Betting a CO for example, completely different discussion.

Oh and FYI, you meant to say 3rd barrel, bullet is for tournament re-entries.
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02-25-2018 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by julien.roy

Oh and FYI, you meant to say 3rd barrel, bullet is for tournament re-entries.
Lol... I've been playing a lot of tournaments lately and totally missed that error in my post.
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02-25-2018 , 01:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by antneye
Lol... I've been playing a lot of tournaments lately and totally missed that error in my post.
No worries

Make sure you always consider villains range when going for continuation barrels on bluff. Blockers are important but they need to be relevant, you do block QT and JT but they only make a small portion of villain's range, its not a CO or MP open, its a BB defend (50%+).
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02-25-2018 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by julien.roy
No worries

Make sure you always consider villains range when going for continuation barrels on bluff. Blockers are important but they need to be relevant, you do block QT and JT but they only make a small portion of villain's range, its not a CO or MP open, its a BB defend (50%+).
I hear you. Thanks. I actually checked the river, but I wondered if I should have "barreled".
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02-25-2018 , 02:06 AM
Nah, like I said definitely check turn also save some $$. He doesn't fold a 6 alot there if hes descent.
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02-25-2018 , 02:27 AM
The problem is when you bet the turn you don't fold out anything that called the flop especially diamond combos and I am not concerned about the free card because I don't mind the free card myself with our four outs. . So check the turn and when it Bricks bet to fold out ace high.

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02-25-2018 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
The problem is when you bet the turn you don't fold out anything that called the flop especially diamond combos and I am not concerned about the free card because I don't mind the free card myself with our four outs. . So check the turn and when it Bricks bet to fold out ace high.

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+1, when checked to OTR the hand is different, you remove all the TX from his range, making a barrel alot more profitable.
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02-25-2018 , 08:51 AM
Why is flop an easy cbet? Villain is a station and we're playing high card
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02-25-2018 , 09:00 AM
If your struggling maybe tighten up a bit QJo doesn't need to be an open in MP. As played i'm ok with the cbet but the turn is a check fold you didn't pick up any equity to barrel with.
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02-25-2018 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteTilt
Why is flop an easy cbet? Villain is a station and we're playing high card
Cause villian is the type of player that plays wide ranges, making his miss more often then other players. The board is dryish and we have a hand that both blocks villians Tx hands and that can pick up equity on the turn. Every 8,9,J,Q,K and A are good for us.
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02-25-2018 , 10:16 AM
WTSD 46, W$SD 50!!!
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02-26-2018 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy Art
Cause villian is the type of player that plays wide ranges, making his miss more often then other players. The board is dryish and we have a hand that both blocks villians Tx hands and that can pick up equity on the turn. Every 8,9,J,Q,K and A are good for us.
I’m going value heavy with a low bluff frequency vs guys like this. They’re calling everything so it’s hard to push them off but they’ll give free cards and pay off when we hit.
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02-27-2018 , 06:15 AM
cbetting flop w/ 2 overs. checking turn and stabbing river w/o diamond.

Think u just fold pre if u are uncomfortable playing in these kinda spots.
Tighter range pre = easier decisions later on
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