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12-06-2017 , 07:47 PM

Purrfekt

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partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.07, PFR: 15.33, 3Bet Preflop: 6.32, Hands: 6,007)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 276.8 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 34.62, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 26)
UTG: 136 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 91.8 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
CO: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 7.8 BB, fold, BTN calls 5.8 BB

Flop: (16.6 BB, 2 players) T

Hero bets 9.8 BB, BTN calls 9.8 BB

Turn: (36.2 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero bets 24.2 BB, BTN calls 24.2 BB

River: (84.6 BB, 2 players) A

Hero?

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12-06-2017 , 07:56 PM

Rikk

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I like it so far and I think im pulling trigger OTR too. Great hand to do it with, though a spade blocker would be nice. As cuts his flush combos drastically and V is capped to 2pair at best.

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12-06-2017 , 07:57 PM

shynepo3

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I don’t think I would being that u don’t block flushes and u block hands like qs, JJ that would fold to a bet. Also being that’s it’s a spade, He would expect u to slow down somewhat with a lot of ur range. That’s just me tho, wondering what others say.

Also who has more aces in their range here, the 19/15 button who calls a 3bet or the sb who 3 bets...?

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12-06-2017 , 08:35 PM

.isolated

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Originally Posted by shynepo3

Also who has more aces in their range here, the 19/15 button who calls a 3bet or the sb who 3 bets...?

given the way it played out, the sb.

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12-06-2017 , 09:31 PM

Brokenstars

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check somewhere. I probably jus check flop

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12-06-2017 , 09:56 PM

Renekton

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

check somewhere. I probably jus check flop

x/r ?

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12-06-2017 , 11:58 PM

Brokenstars

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probably not

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12-07-2017 , 12:36 AM

Renekton

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x/c?

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12-07-2017 , 08:15 AM

Rikk

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

check somewhere. I probably jus check flop

This took me by surprise. I can't see x/r being viable that often and x/f feels a bit too nitty. I think my problem with checking flop is that this is one of our best equity bluffs and we have no SDV, but its just how we reconcile that with a flop that smashes villain's range.

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12-07-2017 , 10:01 AM

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Lefty Gekko

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Originally Posted by Renekton

x/r ?

The x/r would have been better if he had called the raise instead of the 3bet...

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12-07-2017 , 10:55 AM

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Flpmethntsdlr

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Originally Posted by Rikk

I think this is a board texture to check your whole range otf. I give up otr AP. We have as few flushes as V, which we don't block, and with him flatting 2 streets, bombing this river is extremely suspect and likely to get snapped off.

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12-07-2017 , 11:33 AM

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Feng Shui

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Think id check/fold the turn as played i just wouldn't expect to have any fold equity on that turn and board and a few of our outs are dirty. I just don't think it's a very good board to barrel on. Just hope turn checks through and we can realize our equity.

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12-07-2017 , 12:21 PM

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JamesBJames

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I'd check flop. I'm still on the fence about whether I would c/c or c/r this combo (leaning toward c/r with QJss and QJhh, c/c with QJdd and QJcc), but I would think that we should be checking a huge portion of our range on a T97 board regardless.

I also think we have better combos to barrel river with and so I'm just c/f'ing OTR.

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12-07-2017 , 07:58 PM

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Haizemberg93

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I think we could/should bluff the river we dont have many better bluffs,flushes got there so we have QJs as pretty much our only bluff.And imo this is the spot wher V could over fold he could have 88 JJ TJs QJs QTs KTs 78s 89s

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12-07-2017 , 09:43 PM

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edhill

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I'm jamming here.

We need to be bluffing this river some % of the time. We have flushes, sets, 2pair J8s and AK, there's not a lot of hands we bluff with.

I'd try and bet a little smaller on the flop and a little smaller on the turn so that we setup a PSB for the river shove, apart from that I like it, nh.

Villain shouldn't call here with 1 pair, but who knows at 5NL.

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12-08-2017 , 06:11 AM

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IClickButtons

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с/c flop probably as we have range disadvantage, tough one, as played river push cannot be bad imo.

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12-08-2017 , 10:08 AM

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Flpmethntsdlr

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If I'm barreling it would be with spade & non-heart combos, KsJd,KsJc,QsJd,QsJc, etc. That's a big if though.

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12-08-2017 , 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr

If I'm barreling it would be with spade & non-heart combos, KsJd,KsJc,QsJd,QsJc, etc. That's a big if though.

I don't 3bet KJo and QJo out of the SB so the only spade combos I have here are a spade flush . It makes a big difference to postflop playability and equity to be 3betting suited hands. In the SB we are OOP to everyone else so I want the extra help from suited hands.

KQo and AJo+ are the only broadway offsuit hands I'll 3bet from the SB (unless villain folds to lots of 3bets, or gives up too easily post)

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12-08-2017 , 02:40 PM

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Flpmethntsdlr

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Then I suppose bluff with the QJdd&QJcc. It's probably all you need to be profitable at lower limits and probably most limits. Can't speak on that for certain so don't quote me.

Also, hero has 6k hands on this V so it would be pretty wise to give us some insight into how BTN views you. Has he caught you bluffing, do you always have it when you shove river, can he believe the story you're telling in these positions, does he have a fold btn, etc.?

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12-08-2017 , 02:55 PM

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Rikk

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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr

Villain is probably a bot, for my money.

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12-08-2017 , 03:32 PM

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.isolated

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Villain is probably a bot, for my money.

confirmed

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12-08-2017 , 06:48 PM

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Brokenstars

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with 6k hands you should know his flatting range and folding tendencies pretty well.

certainly a hand we can triple, but I'd not triple vs. some 19 14 guy unless I had a good reason. I wouldn't triple vs. anyone unless I had a good reason. Checking anywhere in this hand is fine, and without more information no one is going to be able to tell you what you should be doing.

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12-08-2017 , 07:10 PM

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shynepo3

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Originally Posted by .isolated

confirmed

Is this a thing? Party poker having bots? Cause I swear there are a few players at 5NL whom Are highly suspect. I never thought of bots on stars or full tilt. But after playing Party, this summer, the thought popped up in my mind.

But 5NL is such a small amount to set a bot at. But then I don’t see how a human can be on every single time I log on no matter the time.

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12-08-2017 , 07:21 PM

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.isolated

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NVG has a thread that's been active since May that discusses bots among other things: 5 reasons not to play on Party Poker.

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12-08-2017 , 11:40 PM

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shynepo3

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Originally Posted by .isolated

NVG has a thread that's been active since May that discusses bots among other things: 5 reasons not to play on Party Poker.

goddamn

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