Hi guys,

I'm thinking my bet size otf is on the small side, but what's your play ott??

would probably just take a free card ott. Why the over bet otr?

X flop.

X turn.

X river.

I'm checking the nut no pair all day long.

Would 3-bet PF but flatting's probably reasonable at some frequency.

Wouldn't bet flop because it's not great for our range and if I'm going to barrel then I'd like a little equity (JTs, QTs, QJs I guess). We don't need that many bluffs to balance with since our value-betting range on this board is fairly narrow anyway.

Would check turn as played for largely the same reasons. Betting river as played might be okay since we block villain's calling range but I wouldn't overbet and I definitely think we should have checked somewhere earlier in the hand.

my thinking with the turn and river bets was to fold out villain's bluff catching range {98s,T9s, TT-QQ -type hands}.

thanks for all the feedback. it's food for thought!

flop bet is meh, turn is likely bad and river bluff is ok

Good day, Ladies and Gents. This is my first post after being away from the game for a while and now learning to play again

I think the most important question here that nobody has asked is: what exactly are you representing with that turn bet?

Flop: Bet sizing is ok. If you had 99 or 22, there’s no flush draw to deny equity to, but villain can certainly have TJs or QJs with back door flush draw. Any bet around 2/3 to 3/4 pot isn’t bad.

Turn: Betting half pot is ok on a dry board where you’re unlikely to be outdrawn, but when the turn also adds a backdoor flush draw, you should bet bigger on the turn with your nut hands (99, 22, 77) to deny equity to villain’s drawing hands (TJ, QJ).

To go from that sizing on the turn to the over-bet bomb on the river, you’re essentially only representing the nut straight that got there on the river with 8Ts. That, or zippo, which gives villain a pretty easy call with a lot of his range.

Overall: Nothing wrong with attacking a weak line, but your bet sizing still needs to represent a hand that makes sense over each street - especially if you’re over-betting the river like that (“I’ve got nuts or air”).

I do think there’s also value in checking down the nut-no-pair some of the time, too. I think it’s close because it’s really rare to see villain take a check-call line on 3 streets with TPTK here, and I find attacking such a line to be successful with an extremely high frequency. Certainly high enough to make attacking this board profitable.
Unloading the clip on this runout is surely going to get more folds than not against the majority of villain’s flop check-call range. It’s unfortunate to run into such a hand, but it’s important that you make sure your bet sizing makes sense for your range vs the board texture.

Harry that was a very thorough assessment of the hand and the type that I really appreciate, thank you.

If you're getting back into poker, good luck. I'm looking to form a small skype study group. Let me know if you'd be interested.

Cheers

Super weird sizing scheme

I appreciate the feedback Brokenstars.

What would you do differently?

Why did you bet the flop?

Checking is best on the turn. Our opponent wont fold enough hands that called flop.

As played, river is a good bet. Our opponent will be check-calling alot of hands twice. Most of villains 3 street+ value hands would have bet the flop.

Betting 60-80% pot is better than an overbet. It depolarizes our range, and increases the profitability of our bluff (we risk less to win the same, villains usually have inelastic range on river that calls or folds regardless of bet size, villains can think we would bet more of our value hands with smaller sizing than an overbet).

Flop is ok assuming we can fold out some small pairs a % of the time. Check is fine as well. Just depends how you're generally playing the turn in these spots.

As played, check the turn. You're not going to fold out his flop calling range enough on this turn.

River, after you have an opponent call 2 streets, and you get a bad run out, it's generally almost never a good idea to bluff. It won't be profitable.

You don't rep anything. I'd call here with any pair. The overbet on river is saying you have T8s, but you probably don't have that... the only hands you might be repping are sets, but you decreased your sizing from flop to turn.

Well, he doesn't rep nothing, he just reps very little... he reps the hand he's bluffing into, which is always fun.

+1

Don’t think we ever size down turn on this card, do we? There’s definitely other spots to go bigger OTF and smaller OTT from a theory perspective I think

Even if applicabe in theory from practice I can state a decrease in size from flop to turn usually signifies air or weak holdings.