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07-15-2020 , 11:36 AM

DooDooPoker

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Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 0.10(BB)
BTN ($8.38) [VPIP: 44.4% | PFR: 33.3% | AGG: 37.1% | Hands: 45]
HERO ($13.14) [VPIP: 24.6% | PFR: 21.5% | AGG: 34.7% | Flop Agg: 40.7% | Turn Agg: 27.7% | River Agg: 31.5% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | Fold to 3-Bet: 55.1% | 4-Bet: 16.5% | Hands: 274043]
BB ($17.92) [VPIP: 24.1% | PFR: 19.2% | AGG: 29.7% | Flop Agg: 27.3% | Turn Agg: 35.7% | River Agg: 26.3% | 3-Bet: 8.3% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 355]
UTG ($10.18) [VPIP: 19.6% | PFR: 13.5% | AGG: 18.8% | Hands: 170]
HJ ($10) [VPIP: 25.8% | PFR: 23.9% | AGG: 56.9% | Hands: 213]
CO ($10) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 17.8% | AGG: 42.9% | Hands: 742]

Dealt to Hero: Q

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.22, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $1.06, BB Raises To $2.81, CO Folds, HERO Calls $1.75

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.77 effective]
Flop ($5.84): 3

HERO Checks, BB Bets $2.92 (Rem. Stack: $12.19), HERO Calls $2.92 (Rem. Stack: $7.41)

Turn ($11.68): 3

HERO Checks, BB Checks

River ($11.68): 3

HERO Checks, BB Bets $12.19 (allin), HERO ?

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07-15-2020 , 12:03 PM

moxterite

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River card shouldn't be all that bad, BB shouldn't have many sets other than AKcc. Given your river check he could easily have AK and be trying to shift you off plenty of weaker hands (JJ, 88 etc). Would you ever bet river yourself here? I'm thinking not - hard to get called by worse except for JJ but we can induce bluffs. I call but I guess it's pretty close

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07-15-2020 , 12:24 PM

iamlagLOL

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I raise flop for a pot committing amount, fwiw.

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07-15-2020 , 12:28 PM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by iamlagLOL

I raise flop for a pot committing amount, fwiw.

Then you fold out all his bluffs

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07-15-2020 , 01:51 PM

iamlagLOL

adept

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 811

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Then you fold out all his bluffs

Might be true, but pot is sorta big and there are alot of turn cards we don't like and I am happy to TID right now and there is a decent chance he will felt with worse than we have.

And if we make it like 5,80 he villan might convince himself he has F. E.

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07-15-2020 , 03:01 PM

Theguyonyourleft

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Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 593

In my mind the turn check from V doesn’t make a lot of sense with AA/KK. Or is that my bad and x is correct?

This looks like AKcc or quads tens and not much else to me value wise. I probably call but not happy at all.

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07-15-2020 , 03:39 PM

spadez01

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i mean do we have much better calls here? Having the Qc i consider to be good for us. It is a spot where villain could have more 4bets pre that are slightly OOL.

I mean i guess villain does c/b AA and KK on turn pretty often but also c/b most if not all of villain whole range on the turn.Some 10x have to be in villains range too but I think this has to be a call. Could be a better call than KK no club since we unblock AK combos and still block some flushes with our QQ hand. You just never know at 10Nl.

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07-15-2020 , 03:54 PM

undftd23

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If we're not 5-betting this PF, I think we're going to have to be ok going broke with it most of the time when an Ace or King isn't on the board.

I think block bet on the river is an option as well. We can get some value from JJ and possibly AK as well. We can induce some bluffs from something like AXs and we might save ourselves some money if villain doesn't jam his AA, KK which he might not do especially without a club.

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07-15-2020 , 04:26 PM

whitemares

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In theory this is a snap all day, but I'm sure you know that

This guy hasn't 4b once yet (not sure how significant the sample is tho tbh) and uses a bigger sizing, then goes way too big otf. Pretty good chance his range is strictly premiums

I think you're going to see KK+ a whole lot, possibly enough to lay this down. I expect random micro reg-looking person will x AK often on both flop and river

You can't really go wrong just calling because it's not easy to say what reg types in this pool are doing with AK combos in general, but folding certainly isn't out of the question here

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07-15-2020 , 04:49 PM

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DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by whitemares

The 4bet stats for DriveHUD are when the original RFI is versus a 3bet, and not cold 4bets. There is a separate stat for Cold 4betting which I need to add to my HUD.

Yeah I think I could have laid it down. I don't think shipping preflop is a good option here because I think we only get called by better (someone else had mentioned 5betting).

In game I called and he had KK

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07-15-2020 , 05:01 PM

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newguyhere

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Is that a good shove with KK. Don't we have more Tx hands in our range, and possibly more flushes?

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07-15-2020 , 05:12 PM

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Luke121

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Originally Posted by newguyhere

Is that a good shove with KK. Don't we have more Tx hands in our range, and possibly more flushes?

Doesnt make sense to me to not bet the turn with KK, Td is a good card for him

OTR hero is mostly betting out with Tx and flushes, and all boats after the turn is checked behind, so I think jamming is the correct move to get value from QQ and JJ

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07-15-2020 , 05:22 PM

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DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by newguyhere

Is that a good shove with KK. Don't we have more Tx hands in our range, and possibly more flushes?

In theory I'm pretty much never supposed to have a 4bet calling range OOP here when stacks are less than 150BB. QQ/JJ/AKo all get shipped.

But yeah the ten is better for me and I definitely have more flushes.

Unfortunately my hand is kind of face up so his value bet seems fine

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07-15-2020 , 05:49 PM

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whitemares

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Oh I didn't know that, do you know around how many hands you need for either?

I agree with not shipping, plenty of players will just cc the 3b with AK/QQ/JJ too, so I think you're up against KK+ more often than not. Could even be an exploit fold preflop honestly

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07-15-2020 , 06:09 PM

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bailashtoreth

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V may have xed turn to get the river call. I see nothing wrong with the river call. I may have even bet after the turn x, but that may be bad.

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07-15-2020 , 06:32 PM

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Brokenstars

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I bet 25% otr

AP muck and I'm okay with it.

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