COvsBTN Thoughts on this bluff? 10NL - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

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NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
HJ ($27.24) [VPIP: 40.5% | PFR: 17.8% | AGG: 43.6% | 3-Bet: 3.5% | Hands: 169]
HERO ($11.13) [VPIP: 26.4% | PFR: 22.3% | AGG: 33% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | Hands: 90679]
BTN ($10.34) [VPIP: 35% | PFR: 17.6% | AGG: 24.5% | 3-Bet: 2.4% | Hands: 347]
SB ($10.78) [VPIP: 20.9% | PFR: 16.9% | AGG: 20.5% | 3-Bet: 7.7% | Hands: 537]
BB ($10.00) [VPIP: 25.2% | PFR: 23.7% | AGG: 26.7% | 3-Bet: 2.4% | Hands: 134]

Dealt to Hero: T

HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.30, BTN Calls $0.30, SB Folds, BB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [13.39 effective]
Flop ($0.75): 2

HERO Checks, BTN Bets $0.37 (Rem. Stack: 9.67), HERO Raises To $1.24 (Rem. Stack: 9.59), BTN Calls $0.87 (Rem. Stack: 8.80)

Turn ($3.23): 2

HERO Bets $2.22 (Rem. Stack: 7.37), BTN Calls $2.22 (Rem. Stack: 6.58)

River ($7.67): 2

HERO Bets $7.37 (allin)

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07-19-2019 , 12:25 AM

ionutd

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guy flats a stronger than average range with a lot of pps
he can have some boats and straights
you don't have to try and win every hand, they're allowed to take some down too

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07-19-2019 , 12:25 AM

yasuo

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it is better if you lay out your reasoning first when you seek opinions on such bizarre hands.

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07-19-2019 , 12:28 AM

Brokenstars

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That has to be one of the worst turns/rivers for you, no?

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07-19-2019 , 12:33 AM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

That has to be one of the worst turns/rivers for you, no?

I think an Ace is pretty bad. It makes all my overpairs want to check.

I think flop/turn are fine but the river is probably a check. It was kind of an exploitative play because of his high BTN calling range (45%) and his low 3bet %.

But I may be thinking about that incorrectly. It is more likely he has some 4x hands if he is calling super wide preflop.

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07-19-2019 , 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by yasuo

it is better if you lay out your reasoning first when you seek opinions on such bizarre hands.

So I range check usually here (still not convinced this is the best play) OTF.

I block his strongest continuing range (TT/88) and I would play a lot of my overpairs this way (more likely to do this with 99-QQ than KK/AA).

Once the river hits though. It should be a check but I Yoloed it because "bottom of my range"

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07-19-2019 , 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ionutd

guy flats a stronger than average range with a lot of pps
he can have some boats and straights
you don't have to try and win every hand, they're allowed to take some down too

River is probably the worst card in the deck. So maybe just give up for me.

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07-19-2019 , 12:36 AM

vini.barbosa

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Why going X/R vs a passive player?

Flop could be a CBet, but he seens calling and the fold equity is low. We could plan a CBet + Barrel, but out T8h don’t have enough good turns to keep barreling, so I’m just going X/F.
No problem on that, we have alot of other good hands to barrel.

Just give up.

The X/R is the worst option IMO.

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07-19-2019 , 01:44 AM

Ojune

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why pick hands that are more likely to win when called when you can raise such garbage

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07-19-2019 , 02:12 AM

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YouBetIcall

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flop x/r with this hand is quite bad. On this flop it's good to have cbet range IMO

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07-19-2019 , 09:33 AM

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V called a flop x/r and a big turn bet......in your experience, how many players fold to a river bet after that?

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07-19-2019 , 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by YouBetIcall

flop x/r with this hand is quite bad. On this flop it's good to have cbet range IMO

Which hands would you XR?

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07-19-2019 , 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by crow27

V called a flop x/r and a big turn bet......in your experience, how many players fold to a river bet after that?

Irrelevant question.

Every decision has a certain EV. What Villain did on previous streets doesn't matter because every street is played independently.

I do think the shove is minus EV though after thinking about it.

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07-19-2019 , 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ojune

why pick hands that are more likely to win when called when you can raise such garbage

can always count on a detailed response from you.

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07-19-2019 , 01:15 PM

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crow27

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

To not take your opponent's previous actions into account is just stupid.

Your v CLEARLY likes his hand after you x/r and bet. You sit with T high with one of lowest run-outs there can be. I see almost zero scenarios where a river shove makes sense.
Are you that unaware of your opponent's?

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07-19-2019 , 01:40 PM

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.isolated

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Irrelevant question.

Every decision has a certain EV. What Villain did on previous streets doesn't matter because every street is played independently.

Sure it's relevant. He's talking about hand reading, not ev.

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07-19-2019 , 02:30 PM

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You must get paid off every time you have the nuts with all these perplexing bluffs you post.

I'm not sure why this flop is a good X/R bluff. Why not pick something with a draw/backdoor equity?

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07-20-2019 , 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by .isolated

Sure it's relevant. He's talking about hand reading, not ev.

hand reading is a misnomer for EV reading.

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07-20-2019 , 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by crow27

The reason the shove isn't good is because of the run out. Not because my opponent called the flop/turn.

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07-20-2019 , 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mrfunnywobbl

You must get paid off every time you have the nuts with all these perplexing bluffs you post.

I'm not sure why this flop is a good X/R bluff. Why not pick something with a draw/backdoor equity?

T9s would be better but basically we want to block his strongest calling range.

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07-20-2019 , 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

T9s would be better but basically we want to block his strongest calling range.

How does T9s and T8 block his strongest calling range?

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07-20-2019 , 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

It was kind of an exploitative play because of his high BTN calling range (45%) and his low 3bet %.

Wouldnt that mean he is somewhat more uncapped having some boats/straights (wide calling range) and quite a few overpairs (low 3bet) ?

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07-20-2019 , 07:55 PM

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Wouldn't have a flop xr range on this board. We have absolutely no equity ott. This guy has super low 3b so flop stab/call range is stronger than most.

River, we actually block some of his folding range 88/TT, would rather have at least A2,A5 or something that blocks AA and sets. Don't think they bet/call Ax two streets/may check back flop with those a fair %

1/10 from me (the 1 is for the laugh i got from it

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07-20-2019 , 08:17 PM

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.isolated

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

hand reading is a misnomer for EV reading.

You can call it whatever technical term you want. The fact is you're looking at your own hand and the board first without any regard for reading his hand which is first level thinking. I think it's very bad. shrug

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07-20-2019 , 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Zuko

Wouldnt that mean he is somewhat more uncapped having some boats/straights (wide calling range) and quite a few overpairs (low 3bet) ?

yeah but it also means he has a lot of weaker hands too.

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NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
HJ ($27.24) [VPIP: 40.5% | PFR: 17.8% | AGG: 43.6% | 3-Bet: 3.5% | Hands: 169]
HERO ($11.13) [VPIP: 26.4% | PFR: 22.3% | AGG: 33% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | Hands: 90792]
BTN ($10.34) [VPIP: 35% | PFR: 17.6% | AGG: 24.5% | 3-Bet: 2.4% | Hands: 347]
SB ($10.78) [VPIP: 20.9% | PFR: 16.9% | AGG: 20.5% | 3-Bet: 7.7% | Hands: 537]
BB ($10.00) [VPIP: 25.2% | PFR: 23.7% | AGG: 26.7% | 3-Bet: 2.4% | Hands: 134]

Dealt to Hero: T

HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.30, BTN Calls $0.30, SB Folds, BB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [13.39 effective]
Flop ($0.75): 2

HERO Checks, BTN Bets $0.37 (Rem. Stack: 9.67), HERO Raises To $1.24 (Rem. Stack: 9.59), BTN Calls $0.87 (Rem. Stack: 8.80)

Turn ($3.23): 2

HERO Bets $2.22 (Rem. Stack: 7.37), BTN Calls $2.22 (Rem. Stack: 6.58)

River ($7.67): 2

HERO Bets $7.37 (allin), BTN Calls $6.58 (allin)

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