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12-09-2018 , 04:16 AM

godsavethequeen

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Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 159.5 BB (VPIP: 10.78, PFR: 8.20, 3Bet Preflop: 2.32, Hands: 1,449)
SB: 80.5 BB (VPIP: 17.96, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 5.29, Hands: 550)
Hero (BB): 107.5 BB
UTG: 176 BB (VPIP: 24.20, PFR: 17.81, 3Bet Preflop: 6.58, Hands: 234)
MP: 128.5 BB (VPIP: 23.52, PFR: 17.89, 3Bet Preflop: 4.82, Hands: 1,023)
CO: 109 BB (VPIP: 25.49, PFR: 18.95, 3Bet Preflop: 3.28, Hands: 164)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K

UTG raises to 4 BB, MP raises to 11 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 31 BB, fold, MP raises to 128.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 76.5 BB and is all-in

Flop: (219.5 BB, 2 players) Q

Turn: (219.5 BB, 2 players) T

River: (219.5 BB, 2 players) J

My question is 4 bet or flat?

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Last edited by godsavethequeen; 12-09-2018 at 04:22 AM.

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12-09-2018 , 04:29 AM

SH1591

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i think 4b is ok but folding to jam, look at MP's 3B stat and you think he's 5 betting anything that makes AK a call here?

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12-09-2018 , 04:44 AM

godsavethequeen

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Originally Posted by SH1591

i think 4b is ok but folding to jam, look at MP's 3B stat and you think he's 5 betting anything that makes AK a call here?

My thought process was that I had 42% equity vs QQ+ and AK so I 4 bet to a price that would make it a +EV call. Not sure if thats good at NL2 though.

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12-09-2018 , 05:49 AM

SH1591

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Originally Posted by godsavethequeen

My thought process was that I had 42% equity vs QQ+ and AK so I 4 bet to a price that would make it a +EV call. Not sure if thats good at NL2 though.

he's not 5 betting anything worse than KK in this spot, think about the positions

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12-09-2018 , 06:24 AM

ionutd

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you really shouldn't 4b/f such a large % of your stack
if you don't want to gii, 4b to 23-24bb

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12-09-2018 , 05:58 PM

ArtyMcFly

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I 4-bet/stack off, athough it's probably a losing proposition up 10NL due to the rake and the nitty 3-bettors.
You need villain to be 3-betting about 4.5% in this specific positional battle (where ranges are super-tight) for 4-bet/stacking off to be good, and this villain is only 3-betting <5% overall.
On a good day, you're in great shape vs AKo, but you're gonna run into QQ+ more often I think.

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12-09-2018 , 08:00 PM

godsavethequeen

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

Where do you get 4.5% from?

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12-09-2018 , 08:23 PM

DooDooPoker

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Can just fold this PF. I know it’s nitty but MP has under 5% 3bet and we are OOP.

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12-09-2018 , 08:39 PM

Brokenstars

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Cool to see someone at 2nl post a winning hand wondering if it was the correct play.

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12-09-2018 , 10:03 PM

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ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by godsavethequeen

Where do you get 4.5% from?

That's roughly how often Snowie says MP should be 3-betting, with stuff like ATs, A5s-A2s, KQs, 65s being 3b/folds. If villain has no "bluffs" in his 3-bet range, 4-betting AK just builds the pot for villain's value-hands.
I tend to go with QQ+/AK no matter what, but it's clearly losing if villain never folds to the 4-bet. A huge amount of EV with AK comes from fold equity, and most of the rest comes from getting all in with about 40% equity with the dead money as padding.

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12-10-2018 , 06:04 AM

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CrazyAndy27s

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I find at the micros you can’t really profitably cold 4bet profitably anything past KK+ or KK+ AK v these seats so I just have an uncapped cold call range. Anyone else do the same?

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12-10-2018 , 03:46 PM

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ArtyMcFly

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I've just realised I misread the hand. I thought hero was UTG.

If he's cold 4-betting in BB and MP 5-bets, all AK combos are folds. Even QQ is in a horrible spot. Villain should always have KK+.

@Andy, I don't think anything but QQ/JJ can just cold call in this spot. I'd typically 4-bet QQ+ and all the best blockers (AK, AQs, AJs, maybe AQo). It's obviously profitable to trap with aces, but I prefer to raise anything I'm playing. There's a lot of dead money out there, and cold 4-bets usually get a LOT of respect.

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