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09-17-2020 , 11:59 AM

DooDooPoker

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What's your criteria for raising in these spots?

Assume normal Villain since it looks like this guy might be a nit

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 0.10(BB)
BTN ($9.42) [VPIP: 21.1% | PFR: 18% | AGG: 44.1% | Hands: 1743]
SB ($10.17) [VPIP: 9.4% | PFR: 6.3% | AGG: 50% | Flop Agg: 50% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 33]
HERO ($18.40) [VPIP: 24.5% | PFR: 21.4% | AGG: 35.2% | Flop Agg: 41.1% | 3-Bet: 10.8% | 4-Bet: 16.4% | Cold Call: 6.7% | Hands: 310065]
UTG ($14.45) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 19.4% | AGG: 31.7% | Hands: 4514]
HJ ($3.49) [VPIP: 21.2% | PFR: 11.9% | AGG: 22.9% | Hands: 154]
CO ($12) [VPIP: 23.8% | PFR: 18.8% | AGG: 35.4% | Hands: 6481]

Dealt to Hero: Q

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $0.30, HERO Calls $0.20

Hero SPR on Flop: [16.45 effective]
Flop ($0.60): 7

SB Bets $0.20 (Rem. Stack: $9.67), HERO Raises To $1.20 (Rem. Stack: $16.90)

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09-17-2020 , 12:00 PM

PROPOSITION_JOE

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criteria is some form of equity. Like QTss

no 3b pre BvB???

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09-17-2020 , 12:05 PM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by PROPOSITION_JOE

criteria is some form of equity. Like QTss

no 3b pre BvB???

I have it at a pure call. BB likes to raise polar so we raise hands like J5s and then KQs

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09-17-2020 , 12:17 PM

PROPOSITION_JOE

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

I have it at a pure call. BB likes to raise polar so we raise hands like J5s and then KQs

fair enough. im sure calling works also, just curious. so i take the same concept where similarly i pick J6s T5s K6s A4o A5o but QTss im still happy with it in 3bet value.

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09-17-2020 , 12:25 PM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by PROPOSITION_JOE

fair enough. im sure calling works also, just curious. so i take the same concept where similarly i pick J6s T5s K6s A4o A5o but QTss im still happy with it in 3bet value.

The problem with 3betting QTs for value is your top pair can almost never go for more than 1 street.

And if you ever face pressure - it's always a bluff catcher

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09-17-2020 , 05:37 PM

Shipnickle

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Backdoor equity & draws except Ahi. I'll list from highest frequency to lowest:

1. Combodraws
2. Openenders w/ BDFD
3. Openenders w/o BDFD
4. Gutshots w/ BDFD
5. Gutshots w/o BDFD
6. Naked BDFD & BDSD
7. Naked weak FD
8. Weak pair + BDSD/BDFD
9. Naked BDSD with some overs
etc

That list goes pretty much from 100% freq (combodraw) down to 5% freq (naked BDSD with some overs)

If the board is better for villain all those frequencies go down a bit.
If the board is better for us all those frequencies go up a bit.

Last edited by Shipnickle; 09-17-2020 at 05:46 PM.

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09-17-2020 , 05:46 PM

YanasaurBBQ

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What if villain bets 65-75% ish though? Then xring goes down right? So if we are in villains spot and we have xr happy hero on a board that is good for backdoors and gutshots can we just bet bigger than normal so as not to get check raised and maybe he just calls instead, or should we invite the xr and do our normal sizing and click it back, or should we be xing flop back and playing a 2 street game?

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09-17-2020 , 05:53 PM

Shipnickle

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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ

This is SBvBB.

Villain should check frequently on boards better for us. Instead of being afraid to bet villains good boards for a small sizing villain should focus on having a good 3b/defend strat. Betting bigger is not a good strat (on boards where 1/3 generates most ev) generally even if villain gets raised less often.

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09-17-2020 , 05:55 PM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by Shipnickle

Thx SN - are these for XR or raise vs flop cbet? Or does that not matter?

I solved the hand and it looks like this is a pure call OTF vs 1/3

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09-17-2020 , 05:59 PM

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Shipnickle

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Thx SN - are these for XR or raise vs flop cbet? Or does that not matter?

I solved the hand and it looks like this is a pure call OTF vs 1/3

Ive looked at both, its similar. I think in SBvBB your Qhi calls very often because of the same reason Ahi draws/BD call. SD value. Would be raised more freq BBvBTN because of a tad tighter ranges & OOP I think

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09-17-2020 , 06:57 PM

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Brokenstars

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You can raise very often tbh, but your sizing is quite large (seems to be the case with you when you raise cbets btw). In the case of your sizing; you probably want to raise less often.

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09-17-2020 , 10:46 PM

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D-Beat

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BvB, a draw (OESD or live FD), but I float-raise BvB pretty often. I don't raise many flops. I have leaks in my HU game, but this isn't one of them.

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