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01-20-2018 , 06:36 PM
Hi guys

I played this hand against standard fish 37/15 with 50hh.

How is your bluffing range in all 3 streets here ?
My thoughts : OTF we need some bluffs and GS is ok, deny equity of 57s etc. OTT we can make PPs fold so I decide to bet little bit larger. OTR I prefer xb and bluff my QT because v's range is only about miss draws, Kx and Jx (which will not always fold to a river bet), I think. And sometimes I win against QT here.

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
Winamax3 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
Stacks:
BTN Hero ($160.3BB) 160bb
SB ($105.8BB) 106bb
BB ($82.1BB) 82bb
Pre-Flop: (1.5BB, 3 players) Hero is BTN Q A

Hero raises to 2.5BB, SB calls 2BB, BB folds

Flop: 3 K J ($6BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 3BB, SB calls 3BB
Turn: 8 ($12BB, 2)
SB checks, Hero bets 8BB, SB calls 8BB
River: 6 ($28BB, 2)
SB checks, Hero checks
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01-20-2018 , 08:28 PM
Should try and get this to showdown. check back flop or don't bet turn.
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01-20-2018 , 10:32 PM
I don't mind the barrel i also don't mind checking back the turn but i usually cbet this flop from these positions. Sb shouldn't have AK AJ type hands and is likely pocket pair heavy. We just have a'lot of fold equity vs SB on that board i think. Even hands like TJs will 3bet from the SB a decent %.
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01-21-2018 , 12:53 AM
You have showdown value so I would check back flop, wouldn't like getting raised either. Would bet straight draws that don't have sdv and backdoor flush and straight draws as well, that way you can have lower hands that you can bluff with on all 3 streets.
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01-21-2018 , 05:08 AM
Thank you for your answers

If you cbet the flop i'm pretty sure that you want to bet the turn too. Because there is a lot of PPs in v's range which will fold to a 2dn barrel don't you think ?

If you xb the flop with this hand i'm pretty sure that you don't bluff enough. Because we value 3 streets against fish with KT+ we need some bluffs as well, right ? Would you like to bluff with 67s backdoor flush on this flop ? Because only bluffing with QT and 9T and maybe 45s, 56s A2s A3s etc with backdoor it's not enough I think.
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01-21-2018 , 05:20 AM
Looks good to me, I don't bluff that river, especially not against a 37/15.
If he has a draw he's folding but we win anyway, and if he has a pair+ he's probably not folding.
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01-21-2018 , 05:32 AM
It is gonna be hard to fold him out. I'd take a free card ott and otr hope for a small win given our sdv.

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01-21-2018 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximator
Thank you for your answers

If you cbet the flop i'm pretty sure that you want to bet the turn too. Because there is a lot of PPs in v's range which will fold to a 2dn barrel don't you think ?

If you xb the flop with this hand i'm pretty sure that you don't bluff enough. Because we value 3 streets against fish with KT+ we need some bluffs as well, right ? Would you like to bluff with 67s backdoor flush on this flop ? Because only bluffing with QT and 9T and maybe 45s, 56s A2s A3s etc with backdoor it's not enough I think.
Villain probably doesn't call the flop with pp's with two over cards on the board. So id take a look at villains flop and turn ftcb stats. It's possible we can move villain off Jx but it's also possible we cant. Id also cbet any bdfd.
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01-21-2018 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Feng Shui
Villain probably doesn't call the flop with pp's with two over cards on the board. So id take a look at villains flop and turn ftcb stats. It's possible we can move villain off Jx but it's also possible we cant. Id also cbet any bdfd.

+1 I don't think villain has pp's here.
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01-21-2018 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Feng Shui
Villain probably doesn't call the flop with pp's with two over cards on the board. So id take a look at villains flop and turn ftcb stats. It's possible we can move villain off Jx but it's also possible we cant. Id also cbet any bdfd.
I don't agree I am pretty sure that a 37/15 fish would call the flop with all his pairs especially vs 1/2 pot.
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01-21-2018 , 08:32 AM
vs fish check turn
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01-21-2018 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by yasuo
vs fish check turn
why ?
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01-21-2018 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximator
why ?
I personally think turn is debatable, but in general fish don't like folding, and unless he's drawing to something, you have 10 outs at best, which means a bet is only good if you have a lot of fold equity to make up for your poor hand equity, and against a fish you might not have it.
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01-21-2018 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximator
why ?
we want fold equity but fish doesn't like folding
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01-21-2018 , 12:08 PM
Ok so in this case we should xb F as well ?
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01-21-2018 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximator
Ok so in this case we should xb F as well ?
we have decent equity vs his flop continuing range so cbet esp with smaller sizing is fine
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01-21-2018 , 12:43 PM
Is ok bet like a 1/3 in flop vs fish with bluffs like a backdoorż and if turn dont come with the FD simply x, is this the better way here with bluffsż if is yes, cant exploit the villain wide range in turn with any bluffsż or is better no bluff hereż
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01-21-2018 , 01:26 PM
Wouldnt bet this flop, we dont need to deny equity vs 57s or any hand like that. We can check and still rep hands on later streets which beat them if they improve like jx, qq, tt, etc.
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01-21-2018 , 11:09 PM
Excellent spot to 3barrel bluff against regs.

Against funplayers it is not good.

Bluffing flop+turn and checking back river with this hand might actually be worse than 3barrel bluff a fish.

Either way, check flop against this player. delay-cbet on turn if he checks to fold out smallPP

C-beting flop small and checking back turn uninproved is fine too.
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01-22-2018 , 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Feng Shui
I don't mind the barrel i also don't mind checking back the turn but i usually cbet this flop from these positions. Sb shouldn't have AK AJ type hands and is likely pocket pair heavy. We just have a'lot of fold equity vs SB on that board i think.

+1
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01-22-2018 , 04:08 AM
I'm cbetting the flop almost always. I am checking back the turn and river.
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