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"handcrafted"

lol

you're not getting anything even close to "handcrafted" until you get into five figures.

most "swiss" watches, especially in the price range you're discussing, are really chinese.

http://www.sperrytopsider.com/store/...ultOption=true

how do you guys feel about those? or that style in grey?

got some espadrilles for beachwear. http://www.soludos.com/shop-men

just came in the mail. pretty comfortable.

wow those are ugly

Your standard Seiko or Citizen is like $200. If you can get a Swiss watch for that cheap, it's obviously going to be garbage, and you are definitely better off getting a Japanese watch. We are talking about watches close to $1000.

A real Swiss watch won't use quartz (yes, you can get cheap quartz Swiss watches or a lower end model for a good Swiss watch company might use quartz) and it's movement will be Swiss (but other components might be foreign because that is obviously cheaper just like pretty much any other thing you buy.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Made


Obviously. That's mostly what you are doing with Swiss watches because the brand has earned a reputation through history. That's why Rolex is more expensive than any comparable watch (Omega for example).

But these watches are also better quality than the best Seiko or Citizen. You are honestly a fool and have no respect for the history of Swiss watchmaking if you decide to buy a Grand Seiko over a comparable Swiss watch.

First off the average automatic(quartz discussions are pointless), of Citizen/Seiko is not 200$ its around 350-400$.

Second off, as with all luxury items, there is a fee associated with the branding. You pay a premium to have the name of certain brands put on your watch. Is this correlated with the history? Yes. But the premium is not nearly as correlated with quality as you have diluted yourself into believing.

The reason Omega goes for less than rolex? Its not the quality thats for damn sure. Its because people are willing to pay more for a watch that says Rolex on it. Rolex has a better history, but at this point the quality differences is nil.

BNot to mention rolex and other brands are pumping our 100x+ the output of a brand like Grand Seiko, and very little of the actual process is done by hand.

I mean its fine you appreciate the history of swiss watchmaking, go ahead and buy swiss watches they are very very nice. But dont let your simple love for the history cloud your mind into thinking that quality is that much better now a days.

With all taht said, no japanese watches will come close to comparing to A. Lange & Sohne/Patek philippe/Vacheron Constantin

I hope to one day be baller enough to own one of those.

and get ignored by some girl who sees a guy with a zomg rolex

Gus, you're the one that said "Just don't buy an expensive citizen or other Japanese watch when you can just buy a cheaper Swiss watch "

You can't come back with

"Your standard Seiko or Citizen is like $200. If you can get a Swiss watch for that cheap, it's obviously going to be garbage, and you are definitely better off getting a Japanese watch. We are talking about watches close to $1000."

If we're going to talk about $1000 to $2000 range. There are very few Seikos or Citizens in this range anyways. And I would argue that the Seikos in this range are actually more watch for the buck, such as the MarineMaster 300 which uses Grand Seiko movements.

You have no knowledge of Swiss watchmaking history if you are going to discount Grand Seiko. Grand Seikos are timed to higher tolerances in more positions than COSC and they offer you in house highly decorated movements with immaculate case and dial work for 80% of Rolex prices. Seiko actually won numerous Swiss timing competitions until the Swiss got embarrased and decided to stop the competitions.

a good article from purist pro on Grand Seikos

http://general.watchprosite.com/show...ost/ti-400171/

Swiss watches are expensive because they spend a crapload of money on advertising and its obvious that it is working. Are they worth the money? well thats watch specific and up to the user to decide. I happen to own several but I don't discount non Swiss makers. Also, to disregard quartz watches as 'crap' is quite the fallacy as well as it runs more accurately with fewer need for mechanical maintenance. By definition quartz watches aren't crap. They may lack romanticism or soul but they perform as intended with more functions much more so than mechanical.

But since you believe quartz is crap then for those shopping in the sub $400 mechanical watch category, their options when going Swiss is going to be very limited. On the other hand, Seiko and watches powered by Miyota provides an excellent option in this price range.

The majority of $1000 to $4000 swiss mechanical watches will be generic ETA sourced calibers that makes very little difference whether you buy a TAG or a Breitling or an IWC or 'lesser' brands such as Tissot or Hamilton. You can't get in to in house manufacture at this price range. But you can if you step abroad in to Seiko or boutique German brands like Nomos.

There is no best. Watches, like any other goods, has endless levels of upsmanship. One day, you will have your ALS or PP or VC and then see that the guy next to you is wearing a Voutilainen or Dufour and its going to again turn around everything you thought you knew about what you wanted in a watch.

Is there anything wrong with say this kind of watch as my next upgrade?

http://www.amazon.com/Tissot-T411483...5676803&sr=1-5

The watch I eventually want is this TAG
http://www.amazon.com/TAG-Heuer-WV21...676749&sr=1-72

but far too poor to afford one now. Right now I have a couple of Invicta watches (in before brand snobbery?) that were gifts, this one

http://www.amazon.com/Invicta-Speedw...76932&sr=1-100

and a casual one. They do the trick for now, and I even get complements on them (shows how little your average person knows about watches?). Keeping in mind I'm not a baller, would it be better upgrading to say a Tissot like the one showed in ~6 months, or keeping with what i've got and waiting say 18months for the Tag or something similar.

I'm sure a bunch of responses will be lol at wearing a watch less than 1k why bother etc, but keep in mind NZ is much more casual, and I doubt more than 20% of people I know would be able to place my watches as cheaper.

tissot and tag are decent brands but i dont like either of those models

You dont get a watch around your arm to draw attention from girls. you get a girl around your arm to draw attention to your watch.

nom sayin

nice one

fryke, not a fan of those styles. Also invicta is fine in the sense of having a pecie on your arm. They tend to be rather big, and people that dont know much about watches will think they look expensive. But make sure you know that thse are basically the equivalent of a chinese knock off in the watch world. I say this because although they are a lot of times mechanical, they severely lack in quality and will fall apart rather quickly.

Honestly, what you should do is up to you. A brand I am a huge fan of is Longines(OMG GUS ITS SWATCH GROUP!) Here is atwach similar to teh one yous you linked for Tissot and TAG(Similar in the black face/band type, this one is less dressy then the other two):

Master Automatic GMT(Retails just under 2k or so)


But the thing is I am not a big fan in general of these style watches(not even a huge fan of the Longines). If A watch is going to be rather simple, i Think it would look much better on a leather band and white face.

Like this TAG:



I am more of a fan of a watch that has some stuff going on. Like this:


(PS: ALso a huge fan of blue hands if you cant tell)

Both of those watches are fine and they use the same movement inside, the ETA 2824. The Tag might have more movement decorations but honestly it doesn't matter that much.

Stylistically, I think the white dial Le Locle on Leather looks quite a bit better than the black dial on bracelet, and is much more of a dress watch. Technically, metal bracelets tend to be more informal than leather straps though most people ignore this rule.

http://www.amazon.com/Tissot-T-Class...pd_sbs_watch_4

I can't tell you whether to go for the Tissot now or save up for the TAG as that is up to you. The TAG will obviously have more brand awareness.

I do encourage you to look at Hamilton, Mido, Oris, Longines, other Tissots such as the Visodate as well as the Seiko SARB line. Then you can move to more boutique manufacturers such as Prometheus (they have a nice affordable dressy watch on bracelet I like), Stowa, etc....

http://prometheuswatch.com/en/collec...category_id=19

http://www.seiyajapan.com/product/S-...h-SARB033.html

http://www.stowa.de/Antea/index.htm

http://www.amazon.com/Tissot-Visodat...issot+visodate

Also, post in the EDF watch thread if you haven't already.

And just for fun, part of the reason that Invicta gets a lot of compliments is because its stylistically a copy of one of the most iconic watches ever

http://www.amazon.com/Rolex-Stainles...=rolex+daytona

longines one of my faves.

What kind of watch does the great diskoteque wear on his daily routines?

Hes already said I think he wears a Gshock for daily activities but has other watches(not sure what)

Lol no **** quartz is more accurate than autos. You don't buy a nice watch to tell the time. We have cell phones.

gshock for daily/knockaround.

breitling with obnoxious diamond bezel for weekends/bars (theres a pic floating around this forum somewhere)

freddie constant for work

What model is your frederique?

Could a commoner such as myself afford a "freddie constant." Already assuming that Breitling is out of my price range...

If you have to ask....

jk...lol ya its cheaper the brietlings

http://www.tourneau.com/shop/brand/frederique-constant

Please not I dont know where one would buy one online, this was first decent link Is aw online, doesnt look like they sell them on their sight after a quick glance.

the breitling is expensive. (i actually have it insured and got the annual bill for it today)

the freddie constant is not expensive and is one of my favorite looking watches at this price point. you can get one for under $1,000.
this is my freddie constant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS4CqhtuqVc only mine has blue hands